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ticks said:
A short story...

I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.

 
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I'm not even going to read all this crap.... sorry if it offends anyone. But, this kid, at times, is one of the fastest players we have. He plays with more heart than most of us have. He made a mistake and it was off of a defensive call made by a 1st year starter that has had issues communicating. Other than that one play, the DB's played the best game I've seen in years. The defensive scheme seemed to be... the d line was not to get overly agressive because that QB can run. That left the DB's out on a limb all day. I'd say, for the most part, they handled their business very well. The QB had allllllll day on MANY occasions. Our linebacker crew needs the most improvement imo. There were missed tackles by one of them and that has been an issue with him all year or he arm tackles and get drug 3 yards (consistently). Thank god for Dillard! There are alot of things that can contribute to this. This is not an excuse, just food for thought. Watch the film again (the whole game), I think you will see the DB's did a very good job, for the most of the game.

NOBODY was chastizing #33 when he saved the bowl game for us???? I'm as frustrated as I can remember, but, I'm sure not going to throw this kid under the bus. When I read the title of this thread, my only thought was WTH.......

 
saved the bowl game for us? seriously? He made a pick because the ball was underthrown, had the pass been good he was beat and we arent saying he "saved" the game

 
saved the bowl game for us? seriously? He made a pick because the ball was underthrown, had the pass been good he was beat and we arent saying he "saved" the game
One wonders which bowl game you're talking about. In Nebraska's bowl game, O'Hanlon defensed what would have been the go-ahead TD with about 90 seconds to play.

 
saved the bowl game for us? seriously? He made a pick because the ball was underthrown, had the pass been good he was beat and we arent saying he "saved" the game
This has been mentioned previously in the thread, but it is getting rather long. O'Hanlon made an outstanding play on the ball against CJ Spiller when Clemson was deep in our territory. That play decided the game, and he made it.

That is how he saved the bowl game.

 
saved the bowl game for us? seriously? He made a pick because the ball was underthrown, had the pass been good he was beat and we arent saying he "saved" the game
This has been mentioned previously in the thread, but it is getting rather long. O'Hanlon made an outstanding play on the ball against CJ Spiller when Clemson was deep in our territory. That play decided the game, and he made it.

That is how he saved the bowl game.

That's 100% true.

 
ticks said:
A short story...

I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.
Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.

 
ticks said:
A short story...

I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.
Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.
Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.

The other is a college player getting a free education, but still a kid. I guarantee you the coaches didn't treat him this same way. Sanders even took the blame for it publicly.

NFL player, fine. College, maybe. High School, unacceptable.

 
Cy the Cyclone said:
Watch the actual game film and not just the angles and coverage you get from the ESPN highlites. Then, you might notice not only West leaving his man for O'Hanlon to cover but also the CB getting beat on the other side on a nice post route while the weak side safety backpedals to...somewhere totally out of the play. So...which of the two guys does O'Hanlon cover? Leaving a guy naked out there and then riding him for a blown coverage is real bad form. Want to ride somebody? Start with the CB's. From what I can see, neither one provided consistent lock-down defense on the VT receivers.
I've not bothered to read the entire 3 pages, but I noticed this post and wondered. Are you talking about the TD or the long pass to set up the TD?

 
Cy the Cyclone said:
Watch the actual game film and not just the angles and coverage you get from the ESPN highlites. Then, you might notice not only West leaving his man for O'Hanlon to cover but also the CB getting beat on the other side on a nice post route while the weak side safety backpedals to...somewhere totally out of the play. So...which of the two guys does O'Hanlon cover? Leaving a guy naked out there and then riding him for a blown coverage is real bad form. Want to ride somebody? Start with the CB's. From what I can see, neither one provided consistent lock-down defense on the VT receivers.
I've not bothered to read the entire 3 pages, but I noticed this post and wondered. Are you talking about the TD or the long pass to set up the TD?
Gotta be the long pass. Amukamara was on the WR who caught the TD, and it was decent coverage, too. Just a good play by the QB and WR. :hmmph

 
ticks said:
A short story...

I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.
Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.
Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.

The other is a college player getting a free education, but still a kid. I guarantee you the coaches didn't treat him this same way. Sanders even took the blame for it publicly.

NFL player, fine. College, maybe. High School, unacceptable.
I am rather surprised that this seems odd to anyone. Did any of you play football? It's an honest question and nothing more. From my personal experience, being a di**head was a prerequisite to being a football coach.

Verbal attacks were the least of my concern. We were doing a one-on-one tackling/hitting drill on one occasion between the running backs and the secondary. The running backs were getting the better of us and this same coach (Mike Davis) got upset and started grabbing us by the back of the shoulder pads and pants and throwing us at the ball carriers (he was a really big guy). He later became the head coach at another high school (Bayside HS in Palm Bay, Florida) and was there for five years. He was my secondary coach when I attended Palm Bay HS.

Cheap shots, dirty hits, and late hits were the culture at practice. The upperclassmen took it out on the underclassmen (we ran varsity against JV during practice) and the coaches just turned a blind eye. You didn't complain. You just took it and continued on. The AD/head coach at Bayside HS now (Derek Smith) was a senior starting varsity center during my sophomore year at PBHS and he was one of our dirtiest players. He blindsided me with late hits until I learned that the whistle meant nothing during practice.

None of my coaches were nice guys, but getting yelled at by them was the very least of my worries.

 
Cy the Cyclone said:
Watch the actual game film and not just the angles and coverage you get from the ESPN highlites. Then, you might notice not only West leaving his man for O'Hanlon to cover but also the CB getting beat on the other side on a nice post route while the weak side safety backpedals to...somewhere totally out of the play. So...which of the two guys does O'Hanlon cover? Leaving a guy naked out there and then riding him for a blown coverage is real bad form. Want to ride somebody? Start with the CB's. From what I can see, neither one provided consistent lock-down defense on the VT receivers.
I've not bothered to read the entire 3 pages, but I noticed this post and wondered. Are you talking about the TD or the long pass to set up the TD?
Gotta be the long pass. Amukamara was on the WR who caught the TD, and it was decent coverage, too. Just a good play by the QB and WR. :hmmph


I haven't seen aerial shots of the TD, but if he is talking about the long pass, then he is wrong, really wrong in fact.

West did release the WR to O'Hanlon, that much is right. But that's about it.

Amukamara, who was the opposite side CB never got beat. Even Sanders said as much the next day. The WR that Prince was covering looked like he was running a skinny post, but gave up on the route rather quickly. The inside WR that was on Prince's side was covered by Hagg. That WR had Hagg beat and was running a simple 10 yard out. The skinny post that Prince's WR ran got broken off in almost the same spot. Prince was actually looking into the backfield and saw Tyrod loading to throw. Prince was already breaking on the ball to get an easy pick 6 if Tyrod throws it. Unfortunately for us, Tyrod pulled it back in.

After this, Prince picked up the RB that snuck out of the backfield to his side. Hagg stayed on his man and the LB (Compton?) picked up the WR who had broken off his route. Asante hardly even moves the entire time letting this all occur in front of him but not allowing anyone to get behind him. All the while he kept his body square and never bit on anything.

On the opposite side, West let the outside WR go past. The inside WR (Greg Boone?) ran an in which would have been a 10 yard gain had Thorell not had him blanketed.

This is where O'Hanlon messes up .. badly. On the pump fake, where Prince breaks hard on the ball that Tyrod nearly threw, O'Hanlon also bit and turned to run towards the play, putting his back to the WR that West had released. That is his 1st mistake.

His next mistake is that after Tyrod reset and looked back to his side of the field, O'Hanlon stays flat footed the entire time.

And his last mistake is that the WR who caught the long pass was not even behind him when Tyrod begins to throw the pass. That WR should have actually been in his sight pattern as he was actually a couple yards in front of O'Hanlon, although he was on the sideline. Even when the ball was released and Tyrod took the hit, he had not gotten past O'Hanlon. But due to O'Hanlon being caught flat footed, he could not turn, break and run as quickly as he should have been.

Marvin Sanders was pretty much completely right. If Prince doesn't essentially cover two men on the same play so well, we don't know about any of this. Simple 5-10 yard gain and we moved onto the next play.

Got to give Tyrod his credit for pulling that one back in and not just throwing it away as I would guess alot of QB's would have in this situation.

 
ticks said:
A short story...

I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.
Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.
Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.

The other is a college player getting a free education, but still a kid. I guarantee you the coaches didn't treat him this same way. Sanders even took the blame for it publicly.

NFL player, fine. College, maybe. High School, unacceptable.
I am rather surprised that this seems odd to anyone. Did any of you play football? It's an honest question and nothing more. From my personal experience, being a di**head was a prerequisite to being a football coach.

Verbal attacks were the least of my concern. We were doing a one-on-one tackling/hitting drill on one occasion between the running backs and the secondary. The running backs were getting the better of us and this same coach (Mike Davis) got upset and started grabbing us by the back of the shoulder pads and pants and throwing us at the ball carriers (he was a really big guy). He later became the head coach at another high school (Bayside HS in Palm Bay, Florida) and was there for five years. He was my secondary coach when I attended Palm Bay HS.

Cheap shots, dirty hits, and late hits were the culture at practice. The upperclassmen took it out on the underclassmen (we ran varsity against JV during practice) and the coaches just turned a blind eye. You didn't complain. You just took it and continued on. The AD/head coach at Bayside HS now (Derek Smith) was a senior starting varsity center during my sophomore year at PBHS and he was one of our dirtiest players. He blindsided me with late hits until I learned that the whistle meant nothing during practice.

None of my coaches were nice guys, but getting yelled at by them was the very least of my worries.
This type of stuff was the norm when I played ball only 10 years ago. F*&k, now I feel old for some reason? :lol:

 
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