The Big Ten's (And NU's) Struggle for Respect

Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
NUpolo8 said:
So, if both teams are on the road,wouldnt that be neutral? As there is no home field advantage?
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If both teams are on the road, then the B1G team is on the road, since it is one of the two teams.

Since playing on the road counts as, you know, playing on the road (on the road being the exact words you used, verbatim), then Michigan State beating Stanford would be the last B1G win over a top 10 team, on the road.
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Except the article (which I was quoting) didn't qualify it that way. I understand that the Rose bowl win was big for Sparty. That's why they have respect.

 
NUpolo8 said:
But Stanford was on the road too......
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sd'sker said:
lo country said:
Here is what would help IMO. Have the top teams in the West play the top teams in the East every year. ie NU plays OSU/Michigan one year and then MSU/PSU the next. Wisky picks up 2 of the 4 and so does Iowa. Rotate this around. At least its the traditional power teams (or name recognition) playing each other. A lot better than us getting only MSU this year.
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the B1G is expanding the conference schedule, right? that should help. then they need to schedule better noncon. i like how the SEC has an early conf. game (have a game people will care about early, set the narrative) and then an easy non-con game late. too bad we couldn't do a B1G/pac 12 yearly match-up weekend. i really wonder what everything looks like if wiscy beat lsu, osu is undefeated, and ksu beat auburn (heck, if msu beats oregon). that is the thing, this can flip pretty quickly. but having a good bowl showing will help. but the B1G needs good bowl match-ups, which is out of the conference's hands.long term, i think our only comparative advantage will be coaches. this conference needs better coaches because we can get those. we will always struggle to compete with la, texas, and the south for recruits.
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This is also true, which coaches in the big ten would get other power five head coaching jobs? Dantonio, Mayer, Franklin, maybe Kill?

 
NUpolo8 said:
Except the article (which I was quoting) didn't qualify it that way. I understand that the Rose bowl win was big for Sparty. That's why they have respect.
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Except you didn't quote that part of the article, and in the process you lost all of the context that makes the article factually correct, and your statement wrong. Here is the difference I can show you.

The Big Ten’s last regular-season win over a top-10 team — from within its ranks or without — was a little more than three years ago, on November 5, 2011, when Northwestern upset no. 9 Nebraska in Lincoln.
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See? The article mentions regular season, which is an important distinction. It also doesn't say anything about a qualifier of location. All in all, it's a very simple and straightfoward observation. Unlike your statement:

NUpolo8 said:
Random final note, I found it very odd that the last B1G team to beat a top ten team on the road was Northwestern. Against Nebraska. Weird.
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Which is wrong.

 
NUpolo8 said:
Except the article (which I was quoting) didn't qualify it that way. I understand that the Rose bowl win was big for Sparty. That's why they have respect.
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Quit lying dude. You didn't quote the article, you made your own reference. I'll quote the article for ya...

The Big Ten’s last regular-season win over a top-10 team — from within its ranks or without — was a little more than three years ago, on November 5, 2011, when Northwestern upset no. 9 Nebraska in Lincoln. For the last regular-season nonconference win over a top-10 team, we have to go all the way back to September 16, 2006, and Michigan’s 47-21 upset over no. 2 Notre Dame.
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Nowhere in the article do I see your claim of "the last B1G team to beat a top ten team on the road".

 
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Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
NUpolo8 said:
Except the article (which I was quoting) didn't qualify it that way. I understand that the Rose bowl win was big for Sparty. That's why they have respect.
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Except you didn't quote that part of the article, and in the process you lost all of the context that makes the article factually correct, and your statement wrong. Here is the difference I can show you.

The Big Ten’s last regular-season win over a top-10 team — from within its ranks or without — was a little more than three years ago, on November 5, 2011, when Northwestern upset no. 9 Nebraska in Lincoln.
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See? The article mentions regular season, which is an important distinction. It also doesn't say anything about a qualifier of location. All in all, it's a very simple and straightfoward observation. Unlike your statement:

NUpolo8 said:
Random final note, I found it very odd that the last B1G team to beat a top ten team on the road was Northwestern. Against Nebraska. Weird.
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Which is wrong.
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You could read the article.....crazy, I know. I assumed most people,who read a thread where I linked the article would.

 
HTO said:
NUpolo8 said:
Except the article (which I was quoting) didn't qualify it that way. I understand that the Rose bowl win was big for Sparty. That's why they have respect.
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Quit lying dude. You didn't quote the article, you made your own reference. I'll quote the article for ya...

The Big Ten’s last regular-season win over a top-10 team — from within its ranks or without — was a little more than three years ago, on November 5, 2011, when Northwestern upset no. 9 Nebraska in Lincoln. For the last regular-season nonconference win over a top-10 team, we have to go all the way back to September 16, 2006, and Michigan’s 47-21 upset over no. 2 Notre Dame.
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Nowhere in the article do I see your claim of "the last B1G team to beat a top ten team on the road".
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Tenth paragraph.

 
It's. In. The. Article. I understand completely the incarnate fear of outside objective opinion by some on this board but it's kinda fun to hear differing views.

 
NUpolo8 said:
Tenth paragraph.
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Shows you're full of it but I'll quote the entire paragraph this time...

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Yes, and those better teams have kept on winning. From 2007 to 2013, Big Ten teams turned in losing overall records against the SEC (9-17), Pac-10/12 (17-22), and Big 12 (27-34), managing to go .500 only against the similarly marginalized ACC (11-11). Even in the context of the conference’s decline, the dearth of resonant, marquee wins in that stretch is almost startling. The Big Ten’s last regular-season win over a top-10 team — from within its ranks or without — was a little more than three years ago, on November 5, 2011, when Northwestern upset no. 9 Nebraska in Lincoln. For the last regular-season nonconference win over a top-10 team, we have to go all the way back to September 16, 2006, and Michigan’s 47-21 upset over no. 2 Notre Dame. Almost startling, but not quite, because the league’s national profile has ebbed accordingly.
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Your false claim

the last B1G team to beat a top ten team on the road
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NUpolo8 said:
So I didn't qualify it was a regular season thing? Man the big ten is so much better now!
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There's no mention in the article about a road game either. So not only did you fail to quote it properly, you flat out lied about what it stated.

 
HTO said:
NUpolo8 said:
So I didn't qualify it was a regular season thing? Man the big ten is so much better now!
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There's no mention in the article about a road game either. So not only did you fail to quote it properly, you flat out lied about what it stated.
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Yes, it's actually worse than I described, and since you completely fabricated this "bowl games are road games" crock, I'd say we are even. Even with your nitpicking over something that doesn't take anything away from the article I posted.

 
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