Douchebag Thread for Politics & Religion Spill Over
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Redux
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You read what you want to read. I took it one way, you took it another. And in your confrontational way, you label me....again.
It's pretty disheartening to see an Admin be so obtuse. "Discuss politics with us, or we will criticize you. Agree with us during discusion, or we will label you and gang up on you."
zoogs
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Who started the confrontation here?
You keep jumping into debates and then complaining that people are unreasonable for dissecting your arguments. It's really, really bizarre.
You stated that you didn't understand the negative reaction to Trump's statement. I therefore explained it to you. You came back with what appeared to be some serious confusion about how antagonistic the AHCA is to UHC. I explained that, and here's where you bug out of the discussion and fall back on "that's partisan and biased; I'm just being reasonable". This is another argument which you put forth, yet aren't happy with having debated. You come in here, cuss out everyone for talking politics, and then suggest that I ran to the DBHOF to complain about you when I responded. Who's getting it twisted?
You keep jumping into debates and then complaining that people are unreasonable for dissecting your arguments. It's really, really bizarre.
You stated that you didn't understand the negative reaction to Trump's statement. I therefore explained it to you. You came back with what appeared to be some serious confusion about how antagonistic the AHCA is to UHC. I explained that, and here's where you bug out of the discussion and fall back on "that's partisan and biased; I'm just being reasonable". This is another argument which you put forth, yet aren't happy with having debated. You come in here, cuss out everyone for talking politics, and then suggest that I ran to the DBHOF to complain about you when I responded. Who's getting it twisted?
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Redux
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You are dude. You can't seem to grasp that I wasn't entering the debate to begin with. You also don't seem to grasp the difference between someome "defending Trump" and someone offering an opinion. You are really quick to pass judgement on someones stance, especially if it doesn't sync up with yours.
Like I said yesterday, you have a far more vested interest in all of the details of the AHCA etc. I'm not going to battle you on this, I have no dog in this fight other than I want cheaper costs. You either just want an easy opponent to debate, or you just want to try to convert me. Either way, pass.
Like I said yesterday, you have a far more vested interest in all of the details of the AHCA etc. I'm not going to battle you on this, I have no dog in this fight other than I want cheaper costs. You either just want an easy opponent to debate, or you just want to try to convert me. Either way, pass.
zoogs
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To be clear, man, there are no hard feelings. I'm happy to talk politics and enjoy doing so. Put forth a thesis and I will dissect it if I don't think it holds water. If you find this unreasonable, why put out an argument ("I don't see a problem with his statement.") Or, if that was really a question, why reject the responses out of hand?
You are more than welcome to continue, but understand that unsupported arguments will be pointed out as such.
You are more than welcome to continue, but understand that unsupported arguments will be pointed out as such.
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Redux
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I'm not angry in anyway. I'm sure I'll offer my 2 cents on something and you'll disagree with it in the future. We have a different way of observing things, and that's fine. But please don't take my unwillingness to debate as cowardice.
Redux
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zoogs
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No worries, I am not calling you a coward. It's just that we've moved the debate over to whether the unwillingness to debate is reasonable or not. My argument is that it's unreasonable to simultaneously decline detail/evidence *and* to, at the same time, make posts suggesting that one side is being unfair.
What I see is basically "No thanks on the supporting info, but I remain convinced that people are being too hard on Trump in [this, this, and ... instance." That's strange to me. Can we at least agree that this is your stance?
There's nothing wrong with being partisan; we all have our leanings. However, I think it's best to know *why* we have those leanings, be able to support it, and also to know that we are partisan in this way. I freely admit that I'm against privatizing healthcare, and in favor of this decades-long dream to move the American system towards what the rest of the world is doing, and have single-payer UHC. My opposition to Trump or the Republicans aren't blind party lines on this issue, it's just that they happen to be the ones working fairly hard to send us in the *opposite* direction, and I think that's unconscionable.
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Mierin
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I think what you meant to say was no. Trump is right. Assuming people (zoogs) would disagree with you in that shows that you don't understand why it's notable.
Redux
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You have survived far too long off my ignore list. Hasta Lavista.
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ZRod
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Zoogs likes to dissect opposing view points, and like everyone else sometimes he jumps to conclusions based on an interpretation of what was said. I aline with most of his leanings, but he's even gone after me. It's nothing personal. Sure it can be pretty annoying and intimidating trying to debate and express yourself with someone who has a supreme command of the english language, and is well informed, but that's how I learn...
But Redux, you also refuse to engage most of the time when someone questions you beyound your comfort zone (politically). We assume if you're willing to comment, then you're willing to debate and be criticized. Falling back on "Well, I don't follow politics so I'm not talking to you anymore." Or "You're criticizing my view, this is what I hate about politics" doesn't really fly when you voluntarily stepped into the frey.
That said; I often see where you're coming from, and typically find myself agreeing with some part of your greater point.
But Redux, you also refuse to engage most of the time when someone questions you beyound your comfort zone (politically). We assume if you're willing to comment, then you're willing to debate and be criticized. Falling back on "Well, I don't follow politics so I'm not talking to you anymore." Or "You're criticizing my view, this is what I hate about politics" doesn't really fly when you voluntarily stepped into the frey.
That said; I often see where you're coming from, and typically find myself agreeing with some part of your greater point.
Redux
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It would be like Zoogs making a remark about say Pro Wrestling, then me lecturing him on why even though his comment wasn't technically wrong it is misguided. He knows nothing of what I'm telling him and can tell my stance varies from his. What would he gain trying to debate me on a subject he doesn't have a full grasp of?
And I don't like engaging in these discussions here because they aren't friendly chats when you're sitting in my seat. You disagree with the discussion, but know if you say anything that you are instantly outnumbered and don't have enough information to successfully offer an opposing view that will be heard. It would be nice to be able to come here and learn a thing or two about political issues, I just don't see a perspective I can get on board with most the time. Not a knock against anyone, just how it comes off to me most the time.
And I don't like engaging in these discussions here because they aren't friendly chats when you're sitting in my seat. You disagree with the discussion, but know if you say anything that you are instantly outnumbered and don't have enough information to successfully offer an opposing view that will be heard. It would be nice to be able to come here and learn a thing or two about political issues, I just don't see a perspective I can get on board with most the time. Not a knock against anyone, just how it comes off to me most the time.
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MLB 51
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My best advice is, don't respond to the post. I stay away from posting in P&R forums for mostly the same reasons as you state.
Mierin
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