Douchebag Thread for Politics & Religion Spill Over

knapplc said:
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knapplc said:
Don't throw up a straw man. Don't presume. Just answer the question.

What if there is no god?
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When I was 3 my brother got hit on the highway. Broke every bone in his body. Cracked skull, broken femur, face ripped open etc. Me, my mother and two of my cousins were ten feet away and saw the whole thing. Prayer helped me believe my only friend at the time would get better.
When I was 5 I started having really bad panic attacks. Prayer helped calm me down.

In 8th grade my dad left for Iraq. He came home but others weren't so lucky. Prayer got me through it.

Anytime I'm ever afraid, anxious, nervous or whatever, prayer has helped me. I care not if it was nothing more than 'sugar pills.' These things actually happened to me and prayer actually helped. So, so what if he's not real? Did I waste my time praying? You're missing the entire point of 'faith.' Who are you to take that from someone?
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Do you think that if you were born in Riyadh that you would have prayed to the same god, and gotten the same results? What if you were born in Nepal? Or Mumbai? Or Rome circa 118 BC?
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You use the same arguements when it comes to God over and over but you either haven't read my posts or I didn't explain it properly. I don't care. I would be praying to whomever god I was raised to believe in. I'm fully aware of that. But like I said previously, whose to say they aren't one in the same from a different perspective? Either way it doesn't matter. If my religion gives me an ounce of morality to do the right thing, helps me sleep at night, and helps me see the best in people, then it was all worth it. I answered both your questions. Why didn't you answer mine?
 
You mean the idea that asking someone about their faith takes it away from them? I admit I don't know how to answer that.

Maybe if your faith can be taken away from you by some questions on a message board, it wasn't much of a faith in the first place.

 
1995 Redux said:
zoogs said:
Good reading: http://www.space.com/31192-what-triggered-the-big-bang.htmlIt's a fascinating topic.
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Is there any reasoning or knowledge? I won't tolerate that sh#t.
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Yes -- caveat lector
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knapplc said:
You mean the idea that asking someone about their faith takes it away from them? I admit I don't know how to answer that.

Maybe if your faith can be taken away from you by some questions on a message board, it wasn't much of a faith in the first place.
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That could be true and I can't necessarily argue it, but I'm sure at one point you thought your faith was pretty strong. Hindsights 20/20 and all.
Back to the santa analogy. Let's say you met a guy in his 30s who believed in santa. He wants to get good presents so year round he does charities, community work, and is just an all around good dude. It seems morally wrong to try to tell him santa isn't real. At least let him figure it out for himself if that's what it leads to. Unless he starts saying gay kids don't get presents or South Dakota's version of santa is wrong let's go to war, then have at him.

 
DrunkOffPunch said:
knapplc said:
You mean the idea that asking someone about their faith takes it away from them? I admit I don't know how to answer that.

Maybe if your faith can be taken away from you by some questions on a message board, it wasn't much of a faith in the first place.
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That could be true and I can't necessarily argue it, but I'm sure at one point you thought your faith was pretty strong. Hindsights 20/20 and all.
Back to the santa analogy. Let's say you met a guy in his 30s who believed in santa. He wants to get good presents so year round he does charities, community work, and is just an all around good dude. It seems morally wrong to try to tell him santa isn't real. At least let him figure it out for himself if that's what it leads to. Unless he starts saying gay kids don't get presents or South Dakota's version of santa is wrong let's go to war, then have at him.
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I can't say I've ever been strong in the faith. I was a Bible study leader, I did lay sermons at church, I was Christian for decades. Went through confirmation, all that stuff. But I never had that epiphany moment, you know?

But, if you dig back in the P&R forum, you'll see me STRONGLY advocating the Christian point of view. I had many, many arguments with husker_X about Christianity. It's interesting to look back at those posts and see how vociferously I argued the Christian side of this. I'm pretty well versed in this stuff. A debate between knapplc circa 2010 and knapplc circa 2017 would be half a shitshow.
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knapplc said:
What if there isn't a god?
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Not sure if you posed this question only for Redux, or for anyone. But I'll take a stab at answering.

If God doesn't exist then I am entirely at a loss to explain that experience I keep pointing back to. LINK What could it have been? Hypnotism or some parlor trick? Doubtful. My memory making the whole thing up? Well, no. Several of my friends were in that same class. They remember the speaking-in-tongues thing, but did not have the same spiritual experience that I had. Some other explanation? I'm at a loss to think of what that explanation would be.

If you'll allow me, let me pose a question to you. You used to be a Christian; What made you lose your faith in God?

 
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