The Omarosa Chronicles

I am curious as to when your newfound bewilderment for Trump's lack of critical thinking and judgment will be extended to decisions surrounding and including the following

  • Paul Manafort
  • Michael Flynn
  • Jared Kushner
  • Scott Pruitt
  • Betsy DeVos
  • Anthony Scaramucci 
  • Corey Lewandowski
  • Steve Bannon
  • Jeff Sessions
  • Rob Porter
  • Tom Price
  • Carter Page
  • Steve Mnuchin
  • Ryan Zinke
  • Ben Carson
  • Rick Perry
  • Threatening nuclear war via tweet
  • Choosing to believe Putin over our Intelligence Agencies 
  • Discussing classified information with Russians in the Oval Office
  • Attacking war widows
  • Attacking gold star families
  • Attacking POWs
  • Starting trade wars for no reason
  • Attacking allies
  • Drugging children at the border that were separated from their parents
  • Bailing out farmers impacted by his trade war
  • Calling the free press the enemy of the people 
  • Firing Comey for the Russia investigation
  • Calling Nazi's "Very fine people"
  • Driving the birther hoax for years
  • Running a fraudulent university
  • Spending millions of taxpayer dollars to stay at his own resorts
  • Sh!thole Countries
  • Bragging about sexually assaulting women
  • Autographing photos of deceased crime victims

If I left anything out, please feel free to add to the list. 

The fact that you refer to this Omarosa business as "entertaining" displays how truly insulated you must be from the effects that this administration is having on the country. This is not entertainment. This is not a TV show. This is real life and people's lives are at stake. Is it entertaining? No. It's sad, pathetic, shameful and downright despicable to everything that the office of the President stands, or at least stood for. 

 
Fru said:
I am curious as to when your newfound bewilderment for Trump's lack of critical thinking and judgment will be extended to decisions surrounding and including the following

  • Paul Manafort
  • Michael Flynn
  • Jared Kushner
  • Scott Pruitt
  • Betsy DeVos
  • Anthony Scaramucci 
  • Corey Lewandowski
  • Steve Bannon
  • Jeff Sessions
  • Rob Porter
  • Tom Price
  • Carter Page
  • Steve Mnuchin
  • Ryan Zinke
  • Ben Carson
  • Rick Perry
  • Threatening nuclear war via tweet
  • Choosing to believe Putin over our Intelligence Agencies 
  • Discussing classified information with Russians in the Oval Office
  • Attacking war widows
  • Attacking gold star families
  • Attacking POWs
  • Starting trade wars for no reason
  • Attacking allies
  • Drugging children at the border that were separated from their parents
  • Bailing out farmers impacted by his trade war
  • Calling the free press the enemy of the people 
  • Firing Comey for the Russia investigation
  • Calling Nazi's "Very fine people"
  • Driving the birther hoax for years
  • Running a fraudulent university
  • Spending millions of taxpayer dollars to stay at his own resorts
  • Sh!thole Countries
  • Bragging about sexually assaulting women
  • Autographing photos of deceased crime victims

If I left anything out, please feel free to add to the list. 

The fact that you refer to this Omarosa business as "entertaining" displays how truly insulated you must be from the effects that this administration is having on the country. This is not entertainment. This is not a TV show. This is real life and people's lives are at stake. Is it entertaining? No. It's sad, pathetic, shameful and downright despicable to everything that the office of the President stands, or at least stood for. 
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Hyperbole much? I’ve made my feelings about the guy clear. But this notion that he’s some unique threat to the country or to our way of life is downright insane.

 
Ric Flair said:
Hyperbole much? I’ve made my feelings about the guy clear. But this notion that he’s some unique threat to the country or to our way of life is downright insane.
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Yes, you've been one of his most vocal and ardent supporters on this board. 

Your dubious claim of hyperbole confirms your lack of nuance and ability to think critically about how this administration is unlike anything this country has ever seen before. Sure, there may have been bigoted and bad Presidents in the past, but we are in chartered territory today. 

 
Fru said:
Yes, you've been one of his most vocal and ardent supporters on this board. 

Your dubious claim of hyperbole confirms your lack of nuance and ability to think critically about how this administration is unlike anything this country has ever seen before. Sure, there may have been bigoted and bad Presidents in the past, but we are in chartered territory today. 
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In your view, what makes Trump so much worse than anyone who came before?

 
I think that maybe more Trump supporters might post more here if not for the vitriol being spouted by some of the posters ( making chimis). Many people want a friendly discussion not one where many Trump haters will pile on with such obvious disdain. 

 
Ric Flair said:
In your view, what makes Trump so much worse than anyone who came before?
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In my view, his unintelligence, his poor business decisions, his unethical business actions, his mercurial temperament, his lack of decorum and respectful/dignifying remarks towards anyone who criticizes him, his several affairs, his several allegations (which seem credible, to me) of sexual assault, his history of documented racism (not his statements, his actions), his connections to dozens of swampy opportunists and lobbyists, his governmental decisions that are obviously motivated by his personal business success, his inability to articulate coherent thoughts, and the incompetency of the majority of his staff and appointments into key positions. To name a few things.

 
Landlord said:
In my view, his unintelligence, his poor business decisions, his unethical business actions, his mercurial temperament, his lack of decorum and respectful/dignifying remarks towards anyone who criticizes him, his several affairs, his several allegations (which seem credible, to me) of sexual assault, his history of documented racism (not his statements, his actions), his connections to dozens of swampy opportunists and lobbyists, his governmental decisions that are obviously motivated by his personal business success, his inability to articulate coherent thoughts, and the incompetency of the majority of his staff and appointments into key positions. To name a few things.
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Here’s the thing though. Trump’s not dumb...we’ve had some really stupid Presidents. The way our system is set up, getting elected requires someone to be kind of sleazy. At least one other President sexually assaulted women (assuming Trump did) and many had affairs. Many Presidents were horribly racist, including some fairly recent ones. 

Trump is on Twitter, has no filter, and pretty routinely says stupid and offensive stuff. But aside from those things, he’s not all that different from prior Presidents and in no way is a unique threat to the country. I’m not defending the guy, just pointing out that the constant handwringing and freaking out about everything he does is pretty crazy.

 
Trump is very different from prior presidents, and naming single sins of any past Presidents fails to be at all relevant in reference to the dozens all in a single package in the form of Donald.

With every single other person on earth, things like -

• not being able to speak in coherent sentences

• not being able to recite information accurately

• insisting on how smart you are and how dumb other people are

• quotes from almost everyone that works on their staff

generally lead you to reasonably believe that a person is not very intelligent.

“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, 
OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart 
—you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, 
like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the 
smartest people anywhere in the world—it's true!—but when you're a 
conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that's 
why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went 
there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my 
like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged—but 
you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would 
have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear 
is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the 
power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of 
what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), 
but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it 
used to be three, now it's four—but when it was three and even now, I 
would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, 
you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter 
right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about 
another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us. “

 
Landlord said:
Trump is very different from prior presidents, and naming single sins of any past Presidents fails to be at all relevant in reference to the dozens all in a single package in the form of Donald.

With every single other person on earth, things like -

• not being able to speak in coherent sentences

• not being able to recite information accurately

• insisting on how smart you are and how dumb other people are

• quotes from almost everyone that works on their staff

generally lead you to reasonably believe that a person is not very intelligent.

“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, 
OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart 
—you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, 
like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the 
smartest people anywhere in the world—it's true!—but when you're a 
conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that's 
why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went 
there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my 
like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged—but 
you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would 
have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear 
is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the 
power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of 
what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), 
but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it 
used to be three, now it's four—but when it was three and even now, I 
would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, 
you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter 
right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about 
another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us. “
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I think he’s actually more intelligent than the average person or President. But he has a variety of personality disorders and a massive inferiority complex. Whether that’s better or worse than simply being dumb is an open question. 

:)

 
hskerprid said:
I think that maybe more Trump supporters might post more here if not for the vitriol being spouted by some of the posters ( making chimis). Many people want a friendly discussion not one where many Trump haters will pile on with such obvious disdain. 
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So.....you support a President who believes it’s appropriate to go on twitter and personally attack people, make up childish names for them, promotes violence against people who oppose him, demonizes a vital part of our democracy....etc.

but, posts here are too much for you?

were these posts a personal attack on you? Because that would be against board rules. Or.....are you concerned about offending the snowflake in the Oval Office?

please explain. 

 
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BigRedBuster said:
So.....you support a President who believes it’s appropriate to go on twitter and personally attack people, make up childish names for them, promotes violence against people who oppose him, demonizes a vital part of our democracy....etc.

but, posts here are too much for you?

were these posts a personal attack on you? Because that would be against board rules. Or.....are you concerned about offending the snowflake in the Oval Office?

please explain. 
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I actually have it on good authority that calling someone a “snowflake” is highly offensive and will lead to being banned from the board. 

:lol:

 
Ric Flair said:
I actually have it on good authority that calling someone a “snowflake” is highly offensive and will lead to being banned from the board. 

:lol:
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The term snowflake has quickly gone the way that most pejorative terms do - it's been coopted and reclaimed by the people it was originally used against and has had any insulting meaning quickly rendered into something that's easily ignored. Pro tip for anyone on any side of any issue - if your tribe gangs up and comes up with derogatory slang for the 'other', your words will quickly lose any weight. 

hskerprid said:
I think that maybe more Trump supporters might post more here if not for the vitriol being spouted by some of the posters ( making chimis). Many people want a friendly discussion not one where many Trump haters will pile on with such obvious disdain. 
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Two things. @Making Chimichangas has suffered legitimate and tragic abuse and ostracizing at the hands of people representing the groups/systems/powers that they have so much vitriol for. Most everyone that leans left on this board also hopes that MC can learn to cool their rhetoric and not paint with such a broad brush, but the reasons for doing so are reasonable and way more real and personal than most anyone else on here could understand.

Thing number two, anything posted on here is at worst on par with the vitriol spouted by the President, so save the pity party.

 
Ric Flair said:
In your view, what makes Trump so much worse than anyone who came before?
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I already provided a pretty extensive list, and @Landlord summed it up nicely as well. 

For me personally, the Helsinki summit where he bowed before Putin and threw our intelligence agencies under the bus was perhaps the single most shameful act of cowardice by a US President. 

 
Fru said:
I already provided a pretty extensive list, and @Landlord summed it up nicely as well. 

For me personally, the Helsinki summit where he bowed before Putin and threw our intelligence agencies under the bus was perhaps the single most shameful act of cowardice by a US President. 
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I found his performance in Helsinki to be pretty baffling as well. In the scheme of things it’s a minor deal however.

I found the way Obama bowed down to the mullahs and delivered a planeload of cash to the world’s worst terrorist state to be far meful and cowardly. As was the way he left our guys hung out to dry in Benghazi. As was the way he puffed out his chest about a red line in Syria and then tucked tail and ran when Assad called his bluff.

 
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