DOJ Initial Russia Hearings

[TGHusker]

I firmly believe that we need to keep trying to help these countries stabilize themselves.  Once that's done, they will stop knocking on our door.  The vast majority of these people actually want to live in their own country.  They don't want to make such a dangerous journey to here.  But, they feel they need too.  

Demonizing these people is not the answer in a practical sense nor a moral sense.  

Root cause analysis 101.  Go to the source of the problem and work with us to fix the root.   Maybe the idea of the North American Union makes more sense since we are already paying for much of the poor in NA.  No, I don't want the NAU but I do think if we are spending billions all ready, we might as well work with local govts to change the conditions there - with certain stipulations or controls in place (we may have to 'encourage' some low life leaders to step down - not to be confused wt the one we have here). 

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

There is no border crisis. This is a distraction being fed to people so they don't spend all their time wondering why Russia meddled in our 2016 & 2018 elections and Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump won't do anything about it.

This sums up the mind of the liberal better than I could have.  We know Russian meddling amounted to facebook trolls that did not alter the election.  We know there are hordes of people illegally entering the US.  But to get a label like 'crisis' it has to go against the interest of the Left wing party.  

Here's a thought experiment, how would you feel about an armada of Russians landing on the Atlantic coast and reading the same few sentences requesting asylum?

 

[BigRedBuster]

This sums up the mind of the liberal better than I could have.  We know Russian meddling amounted to facebook trolls that did not alter the election. 

Really?   Hmmmmm....

 

[funhusker]

This sums up the mind of the liberal better than I could have.  We know Russian meddling amounted to facebook trolls that did not alter the election.  We know there are hordes of people illegally entering the US.  But to get a label like 'crisis' it has to go against the interest of the Left wing party.  

Here's a thought experiment, how would you feel about an armada of Russians landing on the Atlantic coast and reading the same few sentences requesting asylum?

The fact that you would even attempt to equate the two is astonishing!

 

[NM11046]

Landlord brought up gerrymandering to support the theory that Rs are less democratic than the Democrats. I showed it that carries no water.

It's surreal living in a border state to here people deep in the middle say there is no border crisis.  Every hour the not too partisan local news reports another story from the migrants.  Sexual assault, disease, unsupervised children etc are all the known side effects of allowing a mass migration of the 2nd world trying to get into the 1st.  And the Ds have done whatever is necessary to prevent a solution knowing every truck means more future bloc voters for the next 50 years.

Sexual assault, disease, unsupervised children etc are all the known side effects of allowing a mass migration of the 2nd world trying to get into the 1st. 

You are incorrect.  There is zero evidence that crimes by immigrants are high, or that areas that they reside are experiencing more crime.  In fact study after study proves that they commit less violent crime than citizens.

You can dislike them coming over for whatever personal reason, but it's just that.  They're not voting illegally, they're not increasing crime or disease ... blah blah blah.   I've attached some articles, but I know reading isn't something you do - so there are some pictures for you as well.

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.a29ee7595aeb

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/02/crime-immigration-city-migrants-refugees-state-of-the-union/582001/

https://oxfordre.com/criminology/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

https://www.businessinsider.com/undocumented-aliens-violent-crime-murder-statistics-data-2018-8

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[Mierin]

This sums up the mind of the liberal better than I could have.  We know Russian meddling amounted to facebook trolls that did not alter the election.  We know there are hordes of people illegally entering the US.  But to get a label like 'crisis' it has to go against the interest of the Left wing party.  

Here's a thought experiment, how would you feel about an armada of Russians landing on the Atlantic coast and reading the same few sentences requesting asylum?

I don’t think you know what a horde is, there is no evidence that illegal immigrants are voting, and Russians move to the U.S. all the time. I work with some. I’ve had professors from Russia. I’ve eaten dinner at Russians’ houses. I don’t automatically think a large % of them are going to murder, rape, cause diseases, influence elections or spy for Russia, because that would make me a moron. I wouldn’t be much more bothered if it was poor Russians coming here, but we have more reason to suspect Russians of illicit activities based on what their government has done in the past and what Mexico’s hasn’t.

And a lot of the people you’re talking to aren’t liberals. They’re just able to discern facts rather than be duped by fairytales meant to rile up the easily manipulated.

 

[Landlord]

We know there are hordes of people illegally entering the US. 

No we don't know that. Stop lying, Joe. There is no evidence of this, and immigration is trending way down over the last 20 years.

Even still, the biggest amount of people here illegally are people who overstayed their VISAs. Not people crossing the border.

 

[RedDenver]

We know there are hordes of people illegally entering the US.

I literally just showed you evidence that's not true. I even included a picture to make it easier.

 

[Mierin]

I literally just showed you evidence that's not true. I even included a picture to make it easier.

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

On Wednesday, CBP reported "off the charts" figures for the number of migrants apprehended at the border in April. 109,144 people were encountered trying to illegally enter the U.S., up from 103,719 in March and a 160 percent increase over the previous year.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/border-apprehensions-to-reach-13-year-high-in-2019-report

 

[ZRod]

Here's a question... Pardon my French buy wtf is the point of putting tariffs on Mexico for not doing more about illegal immigration when we can't even do anything ourselves? Riddle me that.

 

[TGHusker]

Here's a question... Pardon my French buy wtf is the point of putting tariffs on Mexico for not doing more about illegal immigration when we can't even do anything ourselves? Riddle me that.

Well  Riddler, you got Batman on that one :dunno   


Holy Hole in a Doughnut! Batman

 

[Nebfanatic]

Here's a question... Pardon my French buy wtf is the point of putting tariffs on Mexico for not doing more about illegal immigration when we can't even do anything ourselves? Riddle me that.

Again, I thought we were building a wall that was going to stop all of this and Mexico was going to cut the check. What happened to that plan?

 

[NM11046]

Well they are paying for the wall in the way of tarifs - that the american people will have to pay don't cha' know Nebfanatic.   

 

[Nebfanatic]

Well they are paying for the wall in the way of tarifs - that the american people will have to pay don't cha' know Nebfanatic.   

Exactly. The tarriffs are just a way to dupe his base into paying for a wall that will never get finished while thinking mexico is paying for it