The Biden / Ukraine Scandal

[Apsu]

You're free to post an opinion, but it shouldn't be a shock to receive blow back when you make claims that can't be supported by factual information.

There is quite a lot of information out there in the public sphere about this issue, but you don't seem to want to acknowledge it.

If you are talking about the parts that implicate Trump, sure... impeach the turd.

 

[knapplc]

I get the motivation for having Biden out of the race. I don't think he's the right guy to be president (but I'll vote for him over any Republican right now, to be clear).

The democratic way to remove Biden is to vote for other candidates. Not hope something comes out of a political hit job.

 

[Apsu]

The deeper you dig, the more likely you are to have to face the fact that this is a false story concocted by a desperate Trump trying to "both sides" his admission of wrongdoing related to the whistleblower complaint.

That you don't want to do that digging reflects poorly on you. It doesn't mean there's a story here.

I don't want to dig, because 1) my interest is mild, and 2) the info is now hard to find.

And 3), sure Trump is making s#!t up. But I never cared for the way NATO treated/used Ukraine post-Maidan, before anal wart was president.

 

[Nebfanatic]

The treatment of Ukraine is a foreign policy issue not a corruption issue. 

 

[Apsu]

Point is the motivations are political and not based on upholding the law.

All motivations are political.

 

[Apsu]

Exactly. I'm sorry @Apsu but your logic is making no sense. Your idea of an investigation is not how we operate in America.

OK, we disagree then.

How we operate here in America is to manufacture consent through the media.

 

[Nebfanatic]

All motivations are political.

Thats not why I want Trump impeached its because he has broken the actual law and I'd like to see the rule of law upheld. 

 

[Apsu]

You don't investigate unless you have a reason to believe a crime was committed. Investigating a person just to fish for evidence of a crime is illegal.

Like the entire Mueller investigation.

 

[Apsu]

Ok so if its morally wrong but not illegal, than an investigation is an abuse of power. Thanks for clearing that up. I think Biden should have already dropped out of the race.

Sigh...

I said that would be the end result, not the motivation.

 

[Nebfanatic]

OK, we disagree then.

How we operate here in America is to manufacture consent through the media.

Is that how criminal investigations work? No. Stop acting childish because you were wrong and have backtracked majorly from your original comments. Probable cause is still a thing

 

[Nebfanatic]

Like the entire Mueller investigation.

The Mueller investigation had probable cause for believing the president obstructed justice. Whats the probable cause on biden and what crime should he be under investigation for?

I'd like some facts this time @Apsu

 

[Apsu]

Is that how criminal investigations work? No. Stop acting childish because you were wrong and have backtracked majorly from your original comments. Probable cause is still a thing

That has been reality for decades (manufacturing consent through the media).

Let's not get into name calling.

 

[Apsu]

And who are the people pushing this narrative on Biden the hardest?

It's those 2 lyin dingbats

Anal wart has a way of getting media attention.

I have not liked how Ukraine was abused post-Maidan since it happened.

 

[Nebfanatic]

That has been reality for decades (manufacturing consent through the media).

Let's not get into name calling.

I'm not name calling. You are acting childish in your posts. Lets see some factual information because the fact is Trump fired Comey over the Flynn investigation and that is coming from Trump himself. That is probable cause for an investigation into obstruction of justice. What is the potential crime biden committed and where is the probable cause for an investigation?

 

[Nebfanatic]

Anal wart has a way of getting media attention.

I have not liked how Ukraine was abused post-Maidan since it happened.

Not a crime and frankly not on Biden whatsoever. So what did Biden do that was criminal or corrupt?