The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

Notre Dame Joe said:
I got to say I'm impressed with you.  In fact you're the first presumed-Green I've met who isn't afraid to utter the words "nuclear power."  Most of them assume nuclear produces climate change for some reason, and when corrected, immediately change the subject. The reason is obvious.
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Greens have to embrace nuclear or admit that climate change isn't as cataclysmic as they are making it out to be.  Their expensive wind and solar fantasies have proven impractical and people are starting to point out their biofuel plants are counterproductive.  STOP CUTTING DOWN TREES IDIOTS!  Democrats are hardly progressive on climate change solutions, embracing 30 year old technology that is not a solution.

Nuclear power is far down my list of concerns, the nuclear football is at the top.  If Biden is elected, who is going to control it?  Will Stacy Abrams step up to push the button?  Maybe AOC will advise?  After China invades Taiwan, how will Biden's controllers react?  What are their foreign policies?  How will they react to a Philippine Island invasion after that?  

 
4skers89 said:
Nuclear power is far down my list of concerns, the nuclear football is at the top.  If Biden is elected, who is going to control it?  Will Stacy Abrams step up to push the button?  Maybe AOC will advise?  After China invades Taiwan, how will Biden's controllers react?  What are their foreign policies?  How will they react to a Philippine Island invasion after that?  
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Utterly unreal someone could watch the past 3.5 years of failed foreign policy destroying our standing in the world and find a way to be worried the serious, sober people Biden will surround himself and the man himself could find a way to do worse.

 
Danny Bateman said:
A task force recommending something doesn't mean Biden automatically adopts it. That said, hell yeah it should be less complicated to become a citizen. It shouldn't take years and thousands of dollars.

There are a lot of moderate Dems who support climate policies a lot different from the Sanders-AOC wing of the party. Plenty of ways to skin a cat.

Boo Keystone and pipelines in general. The cost-benefit never made sense to me. Paying non-American companies to create a handful of temporary jobs so they can pump their profits across our land (and in many cases, Native Americans'), worsen climate change and do a subpar job whenever a leak happens. Pass.
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A lot of Germans scoffed at Mein Keimpf as ridiculous and proceeded to let Hitler take power.  These recommendations have a way of becoming policy.  Know what you are voting for.

 
4skers89 said:
Greens have to embrace nuclear or admit that climate change isn't as cataclysmic as they are making it out to be.
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This isn't true, as I've already discussed.

Their expensive wind and solar fantasies have proven impractical
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This is also false. Wind and solar costs have been declining exponentially and are now actually cheaper than other energy sources:

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and people are starting to point out their biofuel plants are counterproductive.  STOP CUTTING DOWN TREES IDIOTS!
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This is true.

Democrats are hardly progressive on climate change solutions, embracing 30 year old technology that is not a solution.
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Also true.

 
QMany said:
Any halfway competent POTUS could have wrapped themselves in the flag, said halfway right things, and been reelected easily.


Donald Trump is not that.

(I've always thought 33% was his floor, the diehards, the cultists. (It is sad there are that many). He's there now, which isn't good for reelection; he's going to get even more desperate).
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Shoot, another lock down and/or schools not opening...and this number will drop down even lower.  

 
Danny Bateman said:
Utterly unreal someone could watch the past 3.5 years of failed foreign policy destroying our standing in the world and find a way to be worried the serious, sober people Biden will surround himself and the man himself could find a way to do worse.
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Sure if you think being a doormat is our place in the world.  I don't believe it is and Trump unapologetically removed us from that role.  Don't confuse other country's disdain for a more assertive US as a lack of respect.  Many people in other countries are very supportive of Trump because they too see the threat of China to their country and are glad a Trump led US is guiding their weak leaders in the right direction.

 
RedDenver said:
This isn't true, as I've already discussed.

This is also false. Wind and solar costs have been declining exponentially and are now actually cheaper than other energy sources:
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Energy storage isn't there to support solar and wind.  There is a reason the greens have punted on it.  Prices go down when demand decreases.  Building them and assuming energy storage solution will magically appear is irresponsible.  Also, Birds Lives Matter.  Germany is not an example of green utopia.  They have France's nuclear powered electricity as primary supply and can't wait to get a natural gas line from Russia so they can start using it to produce power.  Meanwhile their citizens can feel good for saving the planet.  They're delusional.

 
4skers89 said:
Energy storage isn't there to support solar and wind.  There is a reason the greens have punted on it.  Prices go down when demand decreases.  Building them and assuming energy storage solution will magically appear is irresponsible.
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Battery storage is also on an exponential price decline:

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And there are already 100+ MWh batteries being used commercially on the grid:

Hornsdale and its big Tesla battery exceed expectations as storage revenue surges

The 100MW/129MWh Tesla big battery, located in Jamestown in SA and adjacent to the 315 MW Hornsdale Wind Farm, has already demonstrated its immense value for the grid in a number of ways, largely through grid stabilization services and savings. But the project, which is being expanded by 50%, through the addition of 50MW/64.5 MWh of Tesla batteries, is set to become an even more valuable asset to the National Electricity Market (NEM) through the addition of digital inertia services.
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AES Completes Record-Breaking Solar and Battery Plant on Kauai

The Kauai Island Utility Cooperative (KIUC) is finishing up commissioning for the Lawai Solar and Energy Storage Project, which combines 28 megawatts of solar photovoltaic capacity with a lithium-ion battery capable of storing 100 megawatt-hours.
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Here's a good article by NREL on the grid-level battery storage that describes how it works along with where it may and may not make sense to use:

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy19osti/74426.pdf

So if the question is whether we should start building nuclear plants or wind/PV with storage to stop C02 emissions, then I think the answer is clearly wind/PV with storage.

 
teachercd said:
I feel like Red Denver has been waiting for this topic for years!  HA...Armed and ready.
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I just realized I should have moved that discussion to another thread. Sorry everybody!

I used to work on long-endurance electric aircraft design (think months in flight) and have been following the industry closely ever since.

 
RedDenver said:
Here's a good article by NREL on the grid-level battery storage that describes how it works along with where it may and may not make sense to use:

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy19osti/74426.pdf

So if the question is whether we should start building nuclear plants or wind/PV with storage to stop C02 emissions, then I think the answer is clearly wind/PV with storage.
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It looks like MIT is throwing some reality into the battery storage issue which is surprising given how science has become ruled by politics.  

 http://technologyreview.com/2018/07/27/141282/the-25-trillion-reason-we-cant-rely-on-batteries-to-clean-up-the-grid/

It's vox but:

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/8/9/20767886/renewable-energy-storage-cost-electricity

 
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