Where We Rehash and Bludgeon the Joe Burrow Situation Over and Over Again Repeatedly

Nebraska55fan said:
Lets look at our QB history here. 

Gebbia- already here, would have made a reasonably able and needed backup. We ran him off it seems. 

Martinez- Didnt play his Senior year due to shoulder issues. Great attitude- love this kid. I know his Freshman HS coach really well- claims the kid is the cats meow character wise. Unfortunately after a somewhat promising Freshman year. He has gotten progressively worse every year. Was in top 10 for fumbles given up in all 3 seasons. Has been injury prone. Has not done a good job coming off his primary target. Holds the ball too long, when he takes off, its already too late, running lanes that were open arent. Not great pocket awareness. 

Luke McCaffrey=Didnt really play a lot of QB until his Senior year of HS. Great feet, lateral speed etc. Size is suspect/ Terrible at locating receivers- and poor accuracy. Weak arm strength. He didnt progress here- I never thought he was the answer and no one really wanted him when he left. So was he a good choice to sign at QB here?

Sommers- We dont know yet but the eye test real life throwing motion and play in Spring game wasnt impressive at all. Suspect arm strength.

Haarberg- Jury still out, looks the part. Does anyone here really have faith that Verduzco can take a project kid and turn him into a successful BIG10 QB? If so exactly where does that confidence come from?

Passing on Joe Burrow. We had a good QB that wanted to come here and we didnt even bother giving him a chance. No matter the excuses- the coaching staff made a MISTAKE not taking him. 

So look at our QB room and this staffs track record here. Why would there be a ton of confidence in their decision making ability when it comes to QBs?  Please convince me- I go to all the games- dont get my info from my neighbor etc
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How exactly did we run Gebbia off?  The kid didn't win the starting job and bailed.  If anything, our staff went out of their way to get him to stay.  

Burrow was a completely unproven 3rd string QB coming from Ohio State.  It would have made zero sense to bring him into our program especially when our staff was able to land AM, our number 1 prospect.  This was always going to be a complete team rebuild so it made sense to start a freshman who could grow with the team.  I choose to believe we will see the results of that growth this year on the field.  No, we likely won't win 10 games with 51 freshman, but my money is on a winning season and a big step in the right direction.  

By the way, who the hell is Sommers?

And why do you think Haarberg is a "project" kid?  The kid threw for over 4,000 yards, had 48TDs to 13 Int, and rushed for over 1000 yards in high school.  Just because the kid didn't do the camp circuit doesn't mean he isn't good.  

 
Hilltop said:
How exactly did we run Gebbia off?  The kid didn't win the starting job and bailed.  If anything, our staff went out of their way to get him to stay.  

Burrow was a completely unproven 3rd string QB coming from Ohio State.  It would have made zero sense to bring him into our program especially when our staff was able to land AM, our number 1 prospect.  This was always going to be a complete team rebuild so it made sense to start a freshman who could grow with the team.  I choose to believe we will see the results of that growth this year on the field.  No, we likely won't win 10 games with 51 freshman, but my money is on a winning season and a big step in the right direction.  

By the way, who the hell is Sommers?

And why do you think Haarberg is a "project" kid?  The kid threw for over 4,000 yards, had 48TDs to 13 Int, and rushed for over 1000 yards in high school.  Just because the kid didn't do the camp circuit doesn't mean he isn't good.  
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So how has the development of

Martinez,

McCaffrey and

Smothers been so far?

What specific improvements have you see in their play that can be attributed to development?

Haarberg DEFINITELY a project, he competed against extremely weak competition. 

 
Nebraska55fan said:
I know which is which. 

One had a descent rookie season at LSU

So did the other at NU

One got better and ended up winning the Heisman. 
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'Rookie season'...?

He was a redshirt junior compared to a true freshman in Martinez who played better with worse surrounding cast.

Nebraska55fan said:
So how has the development of

Martinez,

McCaffrey and

Smothers been so far?

What specific improvements have you see in their play that can be attributed to development?
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Great question. If all the other quarterbacks at Nebraska haven't developed, why do you think 57% completion percentage Joe Burrow would have?

 
Nebraska55fan said:
I know which is which. 

One had a descent rookie season at LSU

So did the other at NU

One got better and ended up winning the Heisman. 

The other got progressively worse both subsequent years and was in the top 10 every year for losing fumbles. 
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Now give Adrian 2 first round WRs, a first round RB and LSU'S O-line, and visa versa for Burrow.

 
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Cdog923 said:
Now give Adrian 2 first round WRs, a first round RB and LSU'S O-line, and visa versa for Burrow.
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 In the 2 years we could have had Burrow

Nebraska lost 6 games by 4-7 points

Nebraska lost 4 games by 1-3 points

Yeah Im guessing a first round NFL QB who won the Heisman couldn't have won any of those 10 ONE SCORE GAMES. Better QB play and even just fewer turnovers by a legit first round NFL QB wouldn't have won us ANY Of those 10 ONE SCORE games.  

Yeah right.  ;)

This is too easy

 
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Lorewarn said:
'Rookie season'...?

He was a redshirt junior compared to a true freshman in Martinez who played better with worse surrounding cast.

Great question. If all the other quarterbacks at Nebraska haven't developed, why do you think 57% completion percentage Joe Burrow would have?
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 All the more reason to bring in a durable QB with some experience. 

Completion percentage is a big deal? Martinez completed 70% last year- NU won THREE GAMES  :dunno

Joe went 16 TDs and 5 Interceptions that year and WON TEN GAMES LOL- wow :D  I would trade that season for ours any day of the week- 57% completions and all. 

 
Nebraska55fan said:
 In the 2 years we could have had Burrow

Nebraska lost 6 games by 4-7 points

Nebraska lost 4 games by 1-3 points

Yeah Im guessing a first round NFL QB who won the Heisman couldn't have won any of those 10 ONE SCORE GAMES. Better QB play and even just fewer turnovers by a legit first round NFL QB wouldn't have won us ANY Of those 10 ONE SCORE games.  

Yeah right.  ;)

This is too easy
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So... we are assuming he'd be the same.  But no matter where he went and who he was surrounded by, he would've been a first round QB and Heisman winner, right?

 
Nebraska55fan said:
 In the 2 years we could have had Burrow

Nebraska lost 6 games by 4-7 points

Nebraska lost 4 games by 1-3 points

Yeah Im guessing a first round NFL QB who won the Heisman couldn't have won any of those 10 ONE SCORE GAMES. Better QB play and even just fewer turnovers by a legit first round NFL QB wouldn't have won us ANY Of those 10 ONE SCORE games.  

Yeah right.  ;)

This is too easy
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Posthumously using Burrow's overall success at LSU as an indicator of what he would've done at Nebraska prior to experiencing any of that success is a fairly disingenuous argument.

Burrow was a talented but relatively unknown commodity heading into his junior season. It's certainly possible (and perhaps even likely) that he ends up performing better than Adrian, but that opinion holds virtually no weight over any other because a lot of it is based on pure speculation.

This topic is drawing far too much enmity given it's based almost entirely in an alternate reality.

 
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Hilltop said:
Are we measuring the development in your mind or with real stats?  Btw, you skipped the Gebbia question.
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 As soon as you explain all the great development- that can be statistically proven- any of our QBs have had in the last 3 years. 

Fire away- Ill wait. 

Mr Cigar/renaissance man/weirdo/harry potter/smartest guy in the room is a joke. 

 
Enhance said:
Posthumously using Burrow's overall success at LSU as an indicator of what he would've done at Nebraska prior to experiencing any of that success is a fairly disingenuous argument.

Burrow was a talented but relatively unknown commodity heading into his junior season. It's certainly possible (and perhaps even likely) that he ends up performing better than Adrian, but that opinion holds virtually no weight over any other. There's no way to place any amount of significant validity towards one opinion over the other.

This topic is drawing far too much enmity given it's based almost entirely in an alternate reality.
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 To think 10 one score games in those 2 seasons, that Burrow couldnt have won us at least 4 of those games- 4 by FIELD GOAL. IS DISINGENUOUS> 

ONE SCORE games- a legit NFL first rounder couldn't have improved our scoring by 3 points??, Wow. I guess the NFL is missing out, they could get Martinez for a whole lot less than Burrow- with no apparent improvement. 

 
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