Economy

[Archy1221]

These are all posters on the more conservative end that have come together with more liberal posters for a common purpose and put our differences aside.

No they haven’t.  What they have done is just disagree with almost everything from 2017-2021 and now, while agreeing with or poo-pooing anything negative during the Biden term out of spite for Trump.   Which is fine, but at least call it what it is.  
They seem fine with uncontrolled illegal immigration (except JJ), they seem fine with Far Left Social nonsense, they seem fine with uncontrolled debt, they seem fine with give away like cancelling loans (again except JJ), they were fine with things like crossfire hurricane, the fbi along with 51 IC folks trying to falsely say Russia was behind the Hunter laptop and Trump was working for Russia.  They were fine with the size of federal government getting bloated at a 10% average annual growth rate for 4 years while historical it should be 1-2%.   Stuff it sounds they would normally be opposed to but cause Cheeto was in charge/and or running, they were fine with it (except for JJ in cases) 

 

[Archy1221]

And then maybe we can start debating issues that actually matter like healthcare, education and making housing more affordable so we can fix the actual issues facing our country

Obama supposedly fixed healthcare.  Remember the “big f#&%ing deal”?   The deal that made everyone’s healthcare costs skyrocket. 
But yeah, I agree it would be nice to solve those issues you mentioned, along with skyrocketing debt, permanent illegal immigration fix for when a Dem is back in office and can’t manipulate the border again, and making SS and Medi/Medi solvent for decades to come.   
I think we kinda know most of those won’t get solved until term limits is a thing because all both sides of the isle care MOST about is getting re-elected.  Once we have enough term limited politicians, then they won’t be afraid to cross the aisle and compromise.  
I fully agree that BOTH sides are the problem when it comes to compromise.  When Dems are in charge they want to ram their agenda in whole down our throats and Repub’s want to do the same.  When it’s split Gov, they tend to compromise on issues that really don’t even matter much.  

 

[Archy1221]

You mean the relentless repetition of that slander by right wing media, a GOP that publicly stated its intention to oppose everything Obama put forward, and all the people who claimed they weren't racist but hated Obama's uppity Black a$$?

No, I mean the guy and those close to him like Eric Holder who divided everyone by race, ethnicity, and income level to make certain demographics the evil people holding all the others back.  

 

[Ratt Mhule]

No they haven’t.  What they have done is just disagree with almost everything from 2017-2021 and now, while agreeing with or poo-pooing anything negative during the Biden term out of spite for Trump.   Which is fine, but at least call it what it is.  
They seem fine with uncontrolled illegal immigration (except JJ), they seem fine with Far Left Social nonsense, they seem fine with uncontrolled debt, they seem fine with give away like cancelling loans (again except JJ), they were fine with things like crossfire hurricane, the fbi along with 51 IC folks trying to falsely say Russia was behind the Hunter laptop and Trump was working for Russia.  They were fine with the size of federal government getting bloated at a 10% average annual growth rate for 4 years while historical it should be 1-2%.   Stuff it sounds they would normally be opposed to but cause Cheeto was in charge/and or running, they were fine with it (except for JJ in cases) 

Because they can see through the lies and smears of the demonrats and realize only a small percentage of the population wants uncontrolled illegal immigration, most people want comprehensive immigration reform. Only a small percentage is okay with men playing in womens sports, but the govt shouldnt make laws about it, it needs to be handled by the sports associations themselves. (I take it this is the far left nonsense youre talking about). They werent okay with the student loan stuff and this is a disagreement we can debate on in the future to find the best solution to our higher education issues. Trump added more debt in his first term than any president in history. I believe Clinton balanced the budget when he was president. And the Russia stuff is everyone personal opinion. Maybe he is working for them, maybe hes not. But its sketchy when he talks all this s#!t about allies and kisses the a$$ of Putin, Jong Un and Orban. They would say the same thing about Obama or Biden if every decision they made seemed to take Russia’s side, as would I. And im sure they are for more efficient federal govt, but firing a bunch of scientists and health professionals and then saying oopsie daisy, we made a mistake and hiring them back is not efficient or smart. This happened with dept after dept after dept. where they fired federal workers and then hired them back. 

 

[Ratt Mhule]

Obama supposedly fixed healthcare.  Remember the “big f#&%ing deal”?   The deal that made everyone’s healthcare costs skyrocket. 
But yeah, I agree it would be nice to solve those issues you mentioned, along with skyrocketing debt, permanent illegal immigration fix for when a Dem is back in office and can’t manipulate the border again, and making SS and Medi/Medi solvent for decades to come.   
I think we kinda know most of those won’t get solved until term limits is a thing because all both sides of the isle care MOST about is getting re-elected.  Once we have enough term limited politicians, then they won’t be afraid to cross the aisle and compromise.  
I fully agree that BOTH sides are the problem when it comes to compromise.  When Dems are in charge they want to ram their agenda in whole down our throats and Repub’s want to do the same.  When it’s split Gov, they tend to compromise on issues that really don’t even matter much.  

He made what we had a little better and now the affordable care act is pretty popular. It would be political suicide to get rid of it now without a better plan. John McCain was smart enough to know this when they tried to repeal it 60+ times in Trumps first term. But we have a lot of stupid people that are easily manipulated with buzz words. All they had to do is call it Obamacare and republicans hated it. They LOVE the affordable care act though because it gave them healthcare. They are just too stupid to realize Obamacare is the ACA. 

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

These people are so deep into the cult. 
 

It's the entire American economy. If Donald Trump does indeed have an "end game" it shouldn't by a surprise to Kayleigh or anybody. It should be spelled out in exacting detail. If we're being asked to sacrifice up front, what are we as a nation working towards? Has anyone run the numbers --- other than the economic experts who've long warned against tariffs? 

Side note: imagine Joe Biden shrugging off a tanking stock market and rising inflation, then telling Americans to hang in because he's playing a long game towards an overhauled economic system TBD. 

If we're asked to believe Trump's specifics-free rhetoric, the level playing field he seeks involves recreating America's manufacturing base, the one that outsourced almost everything to Asia. We never needed tariffs to build more manufacturing plants in America, we just needed the incentives. It will still be more expensive -- and take decades -- to build American factories to compete with the cheap international labor markets, and the tariffs ensure that the consumer prices will be higher -- possibly much higher -- either way.  And because tariffs flow directly into the U.S. Treasury, is the government itself building these factories, or giving incentives to private American firms? Which they already do via a tax base that isn't shifting trillions of dollars to its wealthiest citizens --- the same guys who subcontracted all their manufacturing to Asia in the first place and hid their profits in tax-free offshore havens.

So we have the choice of Donald Trump -- Crazy Like a Fox -- who has considered all this as part of his daring recalibration of the American economy, or Donald Trump -- Just f#&%ing Crazy -- who saw the big numbers attached to tariffs and didn't ask many questions.

 

[BigRedBuster]

Side note: imagine Joe Biden shrugging off a tanking stock market and rising inflation, then telling Americans to hang in because he's playing a long game towards an overhauled economic system TBD. 

The American public (especially Republicans) would have exploding heads....and rightfully so.

But...hey....since we have the greatest business man the world has ever seen and he wrote a book 30 years ago about how great he is at making a deal.....Republicans are now telling us we all should just calm down and everything is great.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

No they haven’t.  What they have done is just disagree with almost everything from 2017-2021 and now, while agreeing with or poo-pooing anything negative during the Biden term out of spite for Trump.   Which is fine, but at least call it what it is.  
They seem fine with uncontrolled illegal immigration (except JJ), they seem fine with Far Left Social nonsense, they seem fine with uncontrolled debt, they seem fine with give away like cancelling loans (again except JJ), they were fine with things like crossfire hurricane, the fbi along with 51 IC folks trying to falsely say Russia was behind the Hunter laptop and Trump was working for Russia.  They were fine with the size of federal government getting bloated at a 10% average annual growth rate for 4 years while historical it should be 1-2%.   Stuff it sounds they would normally be opposed to but cause Cheeto was in charge/and or running, they were fine with it (except for JJ in cases) 

At some point you have to accept that criticism of Donald Trump was not born of blind partisan spite, but because of the literally thousands of stupid, dangerous, and unfiltered actions of Donald Trump. To the point where even lifelong Republicans said "whoa." 

There's a lot of poo-pooing on the other foot too, Arch. 

Even a cursory review of old HuskerBoard threads shows healthy discussion and nuanced views of everything you've listed above. That's why I like this place. 

 

[commando]

this is trumps real reason for the tariffs

 

[Lorewarn]

Obama never fixed healthcare with his compromised, republican-origin Affordable Care Act... he just put a fairly important band-aid on it which sucked for some but has been a life-saver for way more. 

As smart as someone might be, I guess there comes a time when you just have to accept that they live in a completely different reality than you, when on one hand, Obama's so-called divisiveness (despite most scholarship recognizing his attempts & strategy of an inclusive rhetorical approach with well documented hedging and acknowledgment of different narratives) is notable enough to be worth focusing on, while Trump's statesmanship (one in which we all immediately know "oh he didn't write that" whenever he actually rarely manages to say something without scorn, bitterness, insults, ad hominems, baseless conspiracies and hateful fear-mongering) doesn't rise to the level of being worth focusing on.

 

[Archy1221]

Side note: imagine Joe Biden shrugging off a tanking stock market and rising inflation, then telling Americans to hang in because he's playing a long game towards an overhauled economic system TBD

Interesting enough we don’t actually have to imagine that.   It literally happened.  A rise to 9% inflation when we were constantly told it was just transitory and didn’t really hurt our pocket books all the while the S&P tanked from 4725 down to 3580.  Which is a drop great is raw number and percentage than what we experienced now.   Yet, I was constantly told the market isn’t the economy and it’s just for the rich.  Not much mention at all about 401k’s back then.  Oh, tech you asked….NASDAQ was down from 16,057 to 10,480.  

 

[JJ Husker]

Obama supposedly fixed healthcare.  Remember the “big f#&%ing deal”?   The deal that made everyone’s healthcare costs skyrocket. 
But yeah, I agree it would be nice to solve those issues you mentioned, along with skyrocketing debt, permanent illegal immigration fix for when a Dem is back in office and can’t manipulate the border again, and making SS and Medi/Medi solvent for decades to come.   
I think we kinda know most of those won’t get solved until term limits is a thing because all both sides of the isle care MOST about is getting re-elected.  Once we have enough term limited politicians, then they won’t be afraid to cross the aisle and compromise.  
I fully agree that BOTH sides are the problem when it comes to compromise.  When Dems are in charge they want to ram their agenda in whole down our throats and Repub’s want to do the same.  When it’s split Gov, they tend to compromise on issues that really don’t even matter much.  

I can agree with all of this except the very first bolded part. What kind of revisionist BS is that? Healthcare costs were exploding long before Obamacare, and yeah there was a one-time jump at the beginning of the ACA because, duh, the ACA forced carriers to cover stuff that the for profit insurance industry simply wouldn’t cover before.

I’m not giving Obama credit for reducing healthcare costs as the “affordable” in the name misleads but he was responsible for making coverage available for millions of people. It’s disingenuous to blame Obamacare for rising costs simply because it didn’t reverse the trend that began before and has continued since.

Healthcare is the thing Trump should’ve tried to fix (shudders at thought of a potential Repub/MAGA solution) instead of completely wrecking the US economy. God he’s a f#&%ing idiot.

 

[Ratt Mhule]

Interesting enough we don’t actually have to imagine that.   It literally happened.  A rise to 9% inflation when we were constantly told it was just transitory and didn’t really hurt our pocket books all the while the S&P tanked from 4725 down to 3580.  Which is a drop great is raw number and percentage than what we experienced now.   Yet, I was constantly told the market isn’t the economy and it’s just for the rich.  Not much mention at all about 401k’s back then.  Oh, tech you asked….NASDAQ was down from 16,057 to 10,480.  

Guys, I forgot what was happening during the years of 2020 to 2022. Can anyone help me out?

Its all good though, now we get to see how Trump would have handled a wrecked economy had the democrats not cheated in 2020. He just wanted to start where he left off in his last term to prove he could have turned things around. Playing 3D chess to own the libs. 

 

[Archy1221]

and yeah there was a one-time jump at the beginning of the ACA

That’s absolutely untrue.  And the increased year over year premium increase includes the HDHP’s that have increased deductibles by thousands.  One must also account for the subsidies the taxpayer is paying for ACA plans, of without those subsidies, those plans would be unaffordable.  
 

This is akin to saying Biden dropped the Rx expenses for seniors with MedicareD without sharing the fact that monthly premium costs shot up, outpacing any drop for an overall net add to the cost.  

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Interesting enough we don’t actually have to imagine that.   It literally happened.  A rise to 9% inflation when we were constantly told it was just transitory and didn’t really hurt our pocket books all the while the S&P tanked from 4725 down to 3580.  Which is a drop great is raw number and percentage than what we experienced now.   Yet, I was constantly told the market isn’t the economy and it’s just for the rich.  Not much mention at all about 401k’s back then.  Oh, tech you asked….NASDAQ was down from 16,057 to 10,480.  

Holy f#&%. You want to talk about blind partisan spite? 

What literally happened, chief, is that the economy tanked during the Covid pandemic and economic shutdown, which happened during the Trump administration and was not the president's fault, being an unprecedented global pandemic and all.

That same global pandemic created a massive supply chain disruption, that when combined with huge federal payouts by both the Trump and Biden administrations caused an inflationary spike that was both predicted and global. The stock market responded in predictable ways. We were told it was transitory because it was and despite the U.S. economy emerging from the pandemic better than virtually every other country on Earth -- actually increasing our leverage on countries like China -- blind partisan idiots shrieked about inflation not shrinking fast enough and utterly refused to acknowledge the impressive performance of the U.S. economy as long as Biden was in office.

If you're trying to cherry pick numbers from the unprecedented global pandemic with numbers from the 100% avoidable and mystifying inflationary actions of Donald Trump, just admit it's a fools errand run by people addicted to carrying Donald Trump's pisswater.