The Republican Utopia

teachercd said:
I know you are (a lot) older than me but this is like those 80's made for TV movies about WWIII.  Remember all those "scare" movies?
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Exactly. Fearmongering at it’s zenith.

Oops…gotta run…there are Russian and Cuban paratroopers landing in the field behind my business.

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ZRod said:
Never mind the fact that poor red states will be absolutely obliterated with no hope of returning come the next major disaster if they have finance it on their own.
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You mean it isn't a feasible strategy to have every Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic coast state gear up for another Katrina?


 
I’m pretty sure he’s talking about the emergency management coordination and not the funding but I could be wrong.  Hopefully someone asked for the clarification or what exactly he means by letting the Governors do it.  Basically feds would continue to fund when emergency assistance requested and Gov’s would use state and private personnel to oversee the response.   That’s the way I took it.  
 

Im not sure which way is the best way to do it cause im sure some states would screw it up and others would do a great job. 

 
Pretty good article from the state’s pov of how the fed pullback from disaster recovery is hurting them.

https://stateline.org/2025/04/25/trump-denies-disaster-aid-tells-states-to-do-more/

The part of it I have a problem with is, people and states have gotten the needed help from FEMA forever. Their taxes have funded it. So, if now it stops suddenly, which it has in many/most cases, where is the commensurate reduction in taxes. Should they be taking in the same revenue and then just decide they don’t provide the service anymore? If states now have to pick up the slack, they’re going to have to raise taxes to pay for it. What is Trump doing with the money they are supposedly saving? Reduction in government services and funding with no cuts to what the people are paying.

Somebody that refuses to acknowledge how things work will argue with me but that is effectively a tax increase. Or shrinkflation or whatever you want to call it. It is paying in the same but now getting back less, much less in the case of disaster areas.

Is this how Trump and MAGA “save” us money, cut fed taxes while creating the need to greatly increase state taxes, provide less for the taxes we do pay and yet still increase the debt? Party of fiscal responsibility and great businessman my aśś.

 
JJ Husker said:
Pretty good article from the state’s pov of how the fed pullback from disaster recovery is hurting them.

https://stateline.org/2025/04/25/trump-denies-disaster-aid-tells-states-to-do-more/

The part of it I have a problem with is, people and states have gotten the needed help from FEMA forever. Their taxes have funded it. So, if now it stops suddenly, which it has in many/most cases, where is the commensurate reduction in taxes. Should they be taking in the same revenue and then just decide they don’t provide the service anymore? If states now have to pick up the slack, they’re going to have to raise taxes to pay for it. What is Trump doing with the money they are supposedly saving? Reduction in government services and funding with no cuts to what the people are paying.

Somebody that refuses to acknowledge how things work will argue with me but that is effectively a tax increase. Or shrinkflation or whatever you want to call it. It is paying in the same but now getting back less, much less in the case of disaster areas.

Is this how Trump and MAGA “save” us money, cut fed taxes while creating the need to greatly increase state taxes, provide less for the taxes we do pay and yet still increase the debt? Party of fiscal responsibility and great businessman my aśś.
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As much as many of them claim to despise the feds, people have gotten way too comfortable with what they provide.

It doesn’t matter how unrealistic it is to expect states to self-fund their own disaster relief. They’ve decided that’s not their problem. They’ve merely decided to reallocate those funds to another priority, namely a gigantic tax cut package benefiting the wealthy. 

 
Danny Bateman said:
As much as many of them claim to despise the feds, people have gotten way too comfortable with what they provide.

It doesn’t matter how unrealistic it is to expect states to self-fund their own disaster relief. They’ve decided that’s not their problem. They’ve merely decided to reallocate those funds to another priority, namely a gigantic tax cut package benefiting the wealthy. 
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Well they’re double dipping as well. The tax cut is already in effect and has been for awhile, this one will just extend it. But they’re also cutting back services and funding they provide in numerous other areas including FEMA, Medicaid etc. and I’m sure soc sec and medicare if they had their druthers. Typical Trump, wants all of the money without providing anything for it.

 
TGHusker said:
Worth posting in full.   Trump has now shown his hand a full fledge authoritarian.  The crisis he is creating in LA is proof.   Yet there are some on this board who will excuse or support outright his every move.   They don't understand history or what truly made America Great. 

CHARLES PIERCE WRITES: “In my life, I have watched John Kennedy talk on television about missiles in Cuba. I saw Lyndon Johnson look Richard Russell squarely in the eye and say, "And we shall overcome." I saw Richard Nixon resign and Gerald Ford tell the Congress that our long national nightmare was over. I saw Jimmy Carter talk about malaise and Ronald Reagan talk about a shining city on a hill. I saw George H.W. Bush deliver the eulogy for the Soviet bloc, and Bill Clinton comfort the survivors of Timothy McVeigh's madness in Oklahoma City. I saw George W. Bush struggle to make sense of it all on September 11, 2001, and I saw Barack Obama sing 'Amazing Grace' in the wounded sanctuary of Mother Emanuel Church in Charleston, South Carolina. "These were the presidents of my lifetime. These were not perfect men. They were not perfect presidents, god knows. Not one of them was that. But they approached the job, and they took to the podium, with all the gravitas they could muster as appropriate to the job. They tried, at least, to reach for something in the presidency that was beyond their grasp as ordinary human beings. They were not all ennobled by the attempt, but they tried nonetheless. "And comes now this hopeless, vicious buffoon, and the audience of equally hopeless and vicious buffoons who laughed and cheered when he made sport of a woman whose lasting memory of the trauma she suffered is the laughter of the perpetrators. Now he comes, a man swathed in scandal, with no interest beyond what he can put in his pocket and what he can put over on a universe of suckers, and he does something like this while occupying an office that we gave him, and while endowed with a public trust that he dishonors every day he wakes up in the White House. "The scion of a multigenerational criminal enterprise, the parameters of which we are only now beginning to comprehend. A vessel for all the worst elements of the American condition. And a cheap, soulless bully besides. We never have had such a cheap counterfeit of a president* as currently occupies the office. We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon up the requisite contempt. "Watch how a republic dies in the empty eyes of an empty man who feels nothing but his own imaginary greatness, and who cannot find in himself the decency simply to shut up even when it is in his best interest to do so. Presidents don't have to be heroes to be good presidents.
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Extremely well put, which is why I mock and dereide Trump voters. At the end of the day, it's the fault of mouth foaming Trump voters, a hopeless dredge on American society easily manipulated into anything that Trump slops into their trough. If they could do better we wouldn't be in this situation. But they simply are not capable of doing better which is why I ask them to stop voting.


Nothing screams America first patriotism like celebrating the losing generals who fought a war against it!

 
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Archy1221 said:
I’m pretty sure he’s talking about the emergency management coordination and not the funding but I could be wrong.  
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So instead of actually helping he just wants to write a check. IF you are correct, which I'm not very sure that you are, that isn't much better to be completely honest. 

 
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