Nebraska is the best team in the North

I'm glad Mizzou has had it's recent run of success, because it makes a Nebraska victory, that much sweeter...
Agreed.

2008 - Loss 17 - 52

2007 - Loss 6 - 41

2006 - Won 24 - 20

2005 - Loss 24 - 41

2004 - Won 24 - 3

2003 - Loss 24 - 41

2002 - Won 24 - 13

2001 - Won 36 - 3

If you look at it, with the exception of the last two games, it hasnt really been that bad, 4 - 4.

In fact, in the past 10 years, we are 6 - 4 against Mizzou.

Yes, the last two meeting have been bitter defeats, and a lot of Mizzou fans have given the Huskers a piece of their mind when they took us to the woodshed, but this year, Husker fans want to swing that wooden paddle back the other way. I'm one of them. The one that hurts though, is that when we lost to Mizzou, we lost big and by a score over 40 points.

In anycase, i know what your saying about the rivarly between the teams, but i think you might have had a poor choice of words. Nebraska isn't chasing Mizzou, and vice versa, I realized awhile ago, during the Callahan years, that somewhere along the line Husker fans got cocky, and expected to win every game, with no regard that some years we aren't the best. Its great to come out every game and expect our players to be the best every year, and it's an expectation from the coaches and fans for them to play that hard every game. But when a loss happens, Husker fans can't quite swallow it and just move in, they dredge on it for awhile, and it takes them awhile to turn their heads forward to the next game. Not saying that all Husker fans are that way, but unfortunately a majority of them are, most of them are students or younger adults.

But for some of us older Husker fans, who have seen the rise and fall of the program, even before Solich and Callahan. An up and down trend of every school is normal, some are just more frequent than others.
It's funny you mention that, if you read some of mizzou fans who've come out from under their bridges, you'd think they'd been whippin our asses for 30 years.

Granted our losses to Mizzou have been down right ugly, and Mizzou fans can puff out their chests for a little while, but I do believe that's coming to a close.

If I wanted to be completely arrogant douchebag, I could just say that the Big XII should send a thank you note to Bill Callahan for setting our program back and giving everyone else a chance to catch up...

 
I know it's hard for NU fans to realize they're chasing Mizzou. I've said for a while now that almost as hard as seeing Nebraska lose control of the North was surrendering it to Mizzou of all teams. But IMHO, even if you win this year, you're still in an uphill battle to catch up as a program, but maybe that's just a homer opinion. If you lose this year, I think it's quite clearly not a homer opinion.
We aren't chasing Mizzouri, the only teams we are chasing are the teams at the top of the pile and the process of achieving the big goals simply means also beating the lower tier teams in the conference on the way there.

Missouri is one of those teams we want to beat in the process of reaching our goals but the problem you guys seem to have is you think winning big 12 north titles is a goal because frankly that's the biggest goal you guys have accomplished in decades. Nebraska dreams bigger, winning the B12 North is a single step towards goals that Missouri has simply never reached.

Comparing you to KU is not as much an insult as you think. They've got some playmakers, and they've had very good LB's and linemen in recent years. But in general, they've been less talented than Mizzou and the top teams in the south. My humble opinion is that Nebraska is in the same boat. They've got good coaching which puts them in a position to win, but in the end, they're just not as fast as the top teams. I don't think this is particularly controversial. I think the part you probably have a problem with is that I think Mizzou has that top team athleticism, and you don't, mainly because our jersey's say Missouri. To be sure, the top teams have more solid line play which is where Mizzou needs to catch up most, and in some positions we're a little smaller. But we've got the horses to run with the big boys in most positions. To that point...
Recruiting Rankings for the past few years

Rivals 2009 NU 28th MU 40th KU 31st Advantage NU

Scout 2009 NU 33rd MU 38th KU 50th Advantage NU

Rivals 2008 NU 30th MU 25th KU 40th Advantage MU

Scout 2008 NU 21st MU 31st KU 49th Advantage NU

Rivals 2007 NU 13th MU 33rd KU 50th Advantage NU

Scout 2007 NU 21st MU 39th KU 78th Advantage NU

Rivals 2006 NU 20th MU 47th KU 38th Advantage NU

Scout 2006 NU 29th MU 58th KU 47th Advantage NU

So according to the top two services in the past four years:

Nebraska has been in the top 10 0 times, the top 15 once, the top 25 four times and the top seven times times and was never lower than 33rd while going through some of the worst years in program history and a pretty significant coaching change.

Missouri has been in the top 10 0 times, the 15 0 times, the top 25 once and the top 30 once and was outside the top 30 three times while having some of the best seasons in program history and a fairly stable coaching staff.

Kansas has been in the top 10 0 times, the top 15 0 times, the top 30 0 times and their best class was ranked 31st (2 spots better than NU's worst class) while having one of the program's best runs in years and a stable coaching staff.

** Now of course those ratings are not in the least bit scientific but they do give a good estimate of how people saw kids coming out of highschool. The fact that Nebraska even in it's worst times competed favorably and in some cases simply dominated the recruiting rankings against Missouri and Kansas gives some credence to the assumption that Nebraska is the most talented team in the division and it was poor coaching more than anything else that led them to fall behind.

Mizzou was better than Nebraska last year, lost its star QB, most of its receiving production, and little else. We had a very highly touted QB stepping into the role as well as some highly regarded receivers. We've recruited very well in recent years, consistently in the top half of the conference and the top 30 in the country, and of course Pinkel has a reputation for finding underrated talent.
Missouri wasn't better than Nebraska last year they were more hyped coming into the season for sure and played Nebraska early enough when our team hadn't learned the system and the coaches were still new to the job making the game less competitive than normal, but by the end of the year Nebraska was by far the superior team.

Now, one of these teams started the season as co-favorites in the North and ranked in the polls. One of them remains unranked despite a win over a BCS team and the other team with a loss.

Tell me, if I switched the names on those teams, would Nebraska still be ranked and Missouri not?

The answer, in case you're not sure, is no. That's name recognition. That's benefit of the doubt.
If Nebraska had played the games that Missouri has in the fashion they've done so and Missouri had done the same that Nebraska had against our schedule then Missouri would be ranked and Nebraska would not.

Do you seriously think we get any name value? if we did we sure wouldn't be ranked 20 spots below a team we outplayed for 58 minutes on the road. If anything we get the shaft simply because we ARE Nebraska and many people don't want us to come back to where we were.

The simple fact is Missouri played one game on TV against a team that should have been a good win but that since that game has shown themselves to be a team that everyone and their mother could beat on an off night. Nebraska took a team that is ranked in the top 10 to the brink in what many call the toughest stadium to currently play in and then that team turned around and destroyed a media darling with a Heisman candidate QB the next week. Other than that neither team has done anything significant except that Nebraska has manhandled it's cupcakes and Missouri hasn't looked two sharp against teams they should dominate. (and Nebraska's cupcakes were better teams than those Missouri faced)

 
I know it's hard for NU fans to realize they're chasing Mizzou. I've said for a while now that almost as hard as seeing Nebraska lose control of the North was surrendering it to Mizzou of all teams. But IMHO, even if you win this year, you're still in an uphill battle to catch up as a program, but maybe that's just a homer opinion. If you lose this year, I think it's quite clearly not a homer opinion.
We aren't chasing Mizzouri, the only teams we are chasing are the teams at the top of the pile and the process of achieving the big goals simply means also beating the lower tier teams in the conference on the way there.

Missouri is one of those teams we want to beat in the process of reaching our goals but the problem you guys seem to have is you think winning big 12 north titles is a goal because frankly that's the biggest goal you guys have accomplished in decades. Nebraska dreams bigger, winning the B12 North is a single step towards goals that Missouri has simply never reached.

Comparing you to KU is not as much an insult as you think. They've got some playmakers, and they've had very good LB's and linemen in recent years. But in general, they've been less talented than Mizzou and the top teams in the south. My humble opinion is that Nebraska is in the same boat. They've got good coaching which puts them in a position to win, but in the end, they're just not as fast as the top teams. I don't think this is particularly controversial. I think the part you probably have a problem with is that I think Mizzou has that top team athleticism, and you don't, mainly because our jersey's say Missouri. To be sure, the top teams have more solid line play which is where Mizzou needs to catch up most, and in some positions we're a little smaller. But we've got the horses to run with the big boys in most positions. To that point...
Recruiting Rankings for the past few years

Rivals 2009 NU 28th MU 40th KU 31st Advantage NU

Scout 2009 NU 33rd MU 38th KU 50th Advantage NU

Rivals 2008 NU 30th MU 25th KU 40th Advantage MU

Scout 2008 NU 21st MU 31st KU 49th Advantage NU

Rivals 2007 NU 13th MU 33rd KU 50th Advantage NU

Scout 2007 NU 21st MU 39th KU 78th Advantage NU

Rivals 2006 NU 20th MU 47th KU 38th Advantage NU

Scout 2006 NU 29th MU 58th KU 47th Advantage NU

So according to the top two services in the past four years:

Nebraska has been in the top 10 0 times, the top 15 once, the top 25 four times and the top seven times times and was never lower than 33rd while going through some of the worst years in program history and a pretty significant coaching change.

Missouri has been in the top 10 0 times, the 15 0 times, the top 25 once and the top 30 once and was outside the top 30 three times while having some of the best seasons in program history and a fairly stable coaching staff.

Kansas has been in the top 10 0 times, the top 15 0 times, the top 30 0 times and their best class was ranked 31st (2 spots better than NU's worst class) while having one of the program's best runs in years and a stable coaching staff.

** Now of course those ratings are not in the least bit scientific but they do give a good estimate of how people saw kids coming out of highschool. The fact that Nebraska even in it's worst times competed favorably and in some cases simply dominated the recruiting rankings against Missouri and Kansas gives some credence to the assumption that Nebraska is the most talented team in the division and it was poor coaching more than anything else that led them to fall behind.

Mizzou was better than Nebraska last year, lost its star QB, most of its receiving production, and little else. We had a very highly touted QB stepping into the role as well as some highly regarded receivers. We've recruited very well in recent years, consistently in the top half of the conference and the top 30 in the country, and of course Pinkel has a reputation for finding underrated talent.
Missouri wasn't better than Nebraska last year they were more hyped coming into the season for sure and played Nebraska early enough when our team hadn't learned the system and the coaches were still new to the job making the game less competitive than normal, but by the end of the year Nebraska was by far the superior team.

Now, one of these teams started the season as co-favorites in the North and ranked in the polls. One of them remains unranked despite a win over a BCS team and the other team with a loss.

Tell me, if I switched the names on those teams, would Nebraska still be ranked and Missouri not?

The answer, in case you're not sure, is no. That's name recognition. That's benefit of the doubt.
If Nebraska had played the games that Missouri has in the fashion they've done so and Missouri had done the same that Nebraska had against our schedule then Missouri would be ranked and Nebraska would not.

Do you seriously think we get any name value? if we did we sure wouldn't be ranked 20 spots below a team we outplayed for 58 minutes on the road. If anything we get the shaft simply because we ARE Nebraska and many people don't want us to come back to where we were.

The simple fact is Missouri played one game on TV against a team that should have been a good win but that since that game has shown themselves to be a team that everyone and their mother could beat on an off night. Nebraska took a team that is ranked in the top 10 to the brink in what many call the toughest stadium to currently play in and then that team turned around and destroyed a media darling with a Heisman candidate QB the next week. Other than that neither team has done anything significant except that Nebraska has manhandled it's cupcakes and Missouri hasn't looked two sharp against teams they should dominate. (and Nebraska's cupcakes were better teams than those Missouri faced)

 
I'm not saying we've played Alabama, but a lot of that has to do with the teams that they have played. Illinois has played Ohio State. Nevada played Notre Dame and and underrated Colorado State. Bowling Green played Fresno State and Troy. All of those are considered pretty good offensive teams. I would say none of those defenses are good, but none of them are bad like your schedule has arguably been outside of VT. They're average defenses and we shredded them.

Also, I think it's quite clear that Miami was overrated, which only proves that we just don't know how good many of these teams are right now. Miami was not well respected coming into the season, yet shot up to top 10 after two decent but not spectacular wins. I think it's clear they're a good but not great team. I would say the same about VT from what I've seen on the field. The win over VT seemed to have a whole lot more with Miami lacking a credible defense than VT, but maybe VT and FSU are really just offensive powerhouses and their D is actually good. I'm guessing not.
I like it how you said "We shredded them" when referring to Illinois, Nevada, Bowling Greens defense. Mizzou had to come back from behind against Bowling Green at home to win and had to come back from behind against Nevada to win (the Nevada game was a dogfight though). I was really surprised on who Mizzou worked Illinois but as the season went on Illinois is just not that good either is Florida Atlantic. Personally I think that the toughest game that Mizzou has played that is semi decent is Nevada but thats just me.

Mizzou hasn't seen a tough oppenent yet well maybe Bowling Green but Nebraska has in a very hostile environment. This should be a very good but not that I'm drinking any kool-aide or anything but I'm giving Nebraska an upper hand because we've already faced a tougher oppenent on the road and we will know what to expect on playing on the road.

I can tell you that Miami is not overrated but I didn't think that they should've jumped all the way up in the top 10 after killing Georgia Tech. Miami beat a ranked GT team that didn't come to play football and they beat a Florida team who also distroyed a BYU team who beat OU in Dallas. If OU man handles Miami in Miami than I will say that Miami is overrated.

 
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Was the Mizzu win over Illinois their "Signature" win, because that's all I hear anyone talking about... Just because a team is the worst in its BCS conference doesn't mean you beat a BCS caliber team... it just means you beat a team that really shouldn't be in the Big 10, more like MAC or Conference USA.... Kinda like beating Baylor without Griffin...

I think Mizzu will be a good team, but never the caliber they had the past couple years. They will continue to be the team that plays its rivals hard, but never makes it to that upper level.

Nebraska will get back to that level, but it will take some time. I believe we will be the best in the North (recruiting, facilities, etc), but will fail to beat Texas or OU for a few years... I just hope the Husker faithful show Pelini some respect and patience, as they did with Osborne all those years...

 
I've often wondered if the fall of NU football isn't what caused the rise in Mizzou football. When we fired Solich and hired Clownahan, he didn't target the surrounding states much for talent. How many players that went to Mizzou would have played for the Big Red had the coaching change and fall of NU football not occurred? I don't know about the rest of you, but I've always kind of expected to beat Mizzou. It was during the dark years that these expectation turned to hope and prayer.

 
Nebraska will get back to that level, but it will take some time. I believe we will be the best in the North (recruiting, facilities, etc), but will fail to beat Texas or OU for a few years... I just hope the Husker faithful show Pelini some respect and patience, as they did with Osborne all those years...
It was anything but patient for a long time.

There was quite a bit of turmoil in the late 70's-early 80's when Osborne was not beating Oklahoma, and someone in the athletic department (don't remember who or what year) told Osborne that if he hadn't won the bowl game they had just played he would have probably lost the job.

There was also some turmoil in the late 80's and early 90's when Osborne was on a 6 game bowl losing streak.

So even Osborne didn't receive a lot of patience in his time. I think the important thing to realize is it took Osborne roughly 2 decades to get his first National Title, so things won't always work out the way we want. But I do agree, patience is a must.

 
blackshirt you shouldn't make yourself look so bad as to say MU wasn't as good as NU by end of yr, uh they played each other at your temple and destroyed you. as to that silly tied for north, uh MU played in the championship game, beat you handily hds up. beauty of playing each other but so many of you persist in repeating the gospel according to Bo that you beat up on some bad teams and somehow you were better. Uh then what happened when you played a terrible cu team and they almost put another loss on you, at your temple. The same Cu team that MU had just humiliated and shut out in their home field. So just stop with that nonsense about how grt you were after playing a couple of easy games. You got beat, badly, humiliatingly in your house.

And if you have not noticed they will play again, so all this pissing match talk is rather silly. Best team will win the game and you won't hear me making some stupid excuse about anything if tigers lose, or saying wow you should have seen us at the end of the season, only thing that matters is hd to hd, period.

As for who NU is chasing, all this talk about getting to FL or USC or whoever is rather sad. Untill someone from the north beats the big bad teams from the south, it is just flapping your gums. And who that is has not been determined but to not look foolish wait till you beat someone, anyone who is really good, morale victories don't count. Your vaunted advantages don't matter very much right now, have you looked at who you have recruited so far? Not much and oh BTW, tyler plays just a few miles from my house and is having a rough senior year and hasn't looked that good. Right now we are all, top 3 in N, struggling for our programs identity and are in flux. Who will win out, opinions vary. Only time will tell. I admire all three programs and hope they all flourish (except next thursday and at Arrowhead) and make the south teams our bit**es. You are known for how good your rivals are.

 
I've often wondered if the fall of NU football isn't what caused the rise in Mizzou football. When we fired Solich and hired Clownahan, he didn't target the surrounding states much for talent. How many players that went to Mizzou would have played for the Big Red had the coaching change and fall of NU football not occurred? I don't know about the rest of you, but I've always kind of expected to beat Mizzou. It was during the dark years that these expectation turned to hope and prayer.
I think it had something to do with it.

Take a look at the Nebraska Oklahoma series from decades past. In the 90's when Oklahoma took a deep decline Nebraska excelled and had arguably the best decade in college football. In the 2000's, when Nebraska dropped off, Oklahoma became a great dynasty again. Now granted, that was also during the time when the big 8 went away and the big 12 was formed, but it just some food for thought.

It's just interesting that ever since Nebraska dropped off the perennial elite list, MU and KU became relevant again.

 
One huge question, how can any of us gain real traction when we are fighting for the leftovers in TX after TX, OU, TT, A&M, AR and LSU have had their pick? That is what we are doing now.

 
1. NU

2. KU

3. ISU

4. CU

5. KSU

6. MU

Mizzou is a terrible football team. Just take the end of last year and that was with the best QB in Mizzou history. KSU and CU will be two touchdown favorites this year. Mizzou will probably win maybe 1 during conference play, end up benching Gabbert for that cocaine snorting backup from KC (Dalton - i think), and fire Pinkel by the end of the season. :ahhhhhhhh :corndance

 
One huge question, how can any of us gain real traction when we are fighting for the leftovers in TX after TX, OU, TT, A&M, AR and LSU have had their pick? That is what we are doing now.

Coaching. Frazier as great as he was really only had one other big time offer (Notre Dumb). The only reason we got Frost back was because Walsh left Stanford. At one time, I did the research. I think the recruiting classes that delivered TO his first 2 NC's averaged somewhere around 25th. 20 years ago this same thing was debated on how we could ever compete with the warmer climates and coastal schools. In the end, it comes down to coaching. If we truelly believe this parity issue that's been bantered around for the last few years, shouldn't it be easier for MU and NU to gain traction with fewer schollies out there?

 
1. NU

2. KU

3. ISU

4. CU

5. KSU

6. MU

Mizzou is a terrible football team. Just take the end of last year and that was with the best QB in Mizzou history. KSU and CU will be two touchdown favorites this year. Mizzou will probably win maybe 1 during conference play, end up benching Gabbert for that cocaine snorting backup from KC (Dalton - i think), and fire Pinkel by the end of the season. :ahhhhhhhh :corndance

Your taking the Illinois loss hard bro! Your most likely a Cub's fan so don't jump off the roof in Chitown when the Cardinals win the World Series.

 
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