HuskerShark
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It's a really touchy subject, and the last thing I wanna do is have this thread turn into the pro-choice vs pro-life debate, so I'll leave my comments at that.
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The Religious Discussion of 2012
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carlfense
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Agreed. It's also an issue (IMO) that is more gray than black and white. Thanks for your comments.
Sub-Husker
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Who was murdered?
Legally speaking... a fetus is not a corporation now, and it wasn't a human being during the time of Jesus either.
And Jesus spoke out about many injustices, but never addressed the personhood of a fetus.
Sub-Husker
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Agreed.
But you do need to realize that abortion does not meet the legal definition of murder in the United States, and Jesus was silent about the issue during his time.
If religious people gather together in a majority and get the law changed regarding fetal personhood, then abortion can be classified as murder.
But if religious groups do that, then whose teachings are they following?
Sub-Husker
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Nice over-simplification that completely missed the point, but I will further clarify for you yet again.
Today's religious conservatives seem to have two principal issues they use as litmus tests for voting... abortion and gays (which are based on their religious values).
Yet they completely miss Jesus' teachings on social justice. There is only one place in the Bible where Jesus says "Go and do likewise." However religious conservatives ignore that and focus the wrath of their relogious beliefs on non-issues.
Why do you not consider it appropriate to address hypocracy when it continues to rear its head over the same old issues?
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knapplc
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The over-broad generalization of "Today's religious conservatives" misses the point of the abortion topic entirely. If it was ONLY that group opposed to abortion you may have a point, but it's not and you're creating yet more straw men. Not all religious are "religious conservatives." Not all those opposed to abortion are even religious.
HuskerShark
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+1. Exactly what I was thinking.
Maybe you should read a little bit of this site:
http://www.av1611.org/jmelton/abortion.html
And I'm sure you will have some type of jib-jab to try and refute the things that it says as you always do, so I'll be looking forward to it.
strigori
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Though a large part of our three part government system with checks and balances is to keep the majority from running roughshod over the minority, We have too many situations in our history already where a vocal, organized minority imposed thier 'values' on the majority, or in which a minority was denied rights by a majority.
Sub-Husker
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sigh...
The majority of people who oppose homosexuality as immoral for religious reasons are religious conservatives.
The majority of people who oppose abortion as murder for religious reasons are religious conservatives.
Yes, I guess there are people who oppose abortion who are not religious conservatives, but they a minority in people who oppose it.
In addition most religious people (Christian) who I have met who are liberal do not oppose abortion on religious grounds. But I guess that there could be a few out there.
So you are correct... my arguement is a strawman because I failed to mention two small minorities.
sigh...
Sub-Husker
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I read through that sight, or at least I glanced through it after reading the first few paragrapghs.
Using their extremely warped logic football would be banned. And if we set forth the examples they tried to set, we'd be living in a purely socialistic world.
Sub-Husker
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The majority could do that though, but it should be acknowledged that to do so that they had abandonned the teachings of Jesus.
strigori
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Any argument that is based on the Bible only is really null and void when it comes to making Law in the United States. We are not a theocracy. Look to many of the Arab nations if you want a country that works that way.