That is a great example of what happens when you prey on a populace's fears.
HuskerBoard
knapplc
khaake
It's a proven formula - sell people fear and you will be able to control them.
Excel
Who is preying on their fears?
Excel
This is NOT what happens when you prey on fears, this is what happens when a populace has faced its fears god knows how many times in the last hundred years; partition between the Germans, Austrians, and Russians, Nazi invasion and genocide, half a century of Communist occupation. It would be unfair to draw comparisons between right leaning movements in America and Poland, it's a COMPLETELY different context. They finally have their own country and want to keep it that way. I don't have any problems or qualms about that. Good for them.
HuskerNBigD
That is an eerie photo.
zoogs
Hang on. What?
"Tens of thousands of Poles marched across downtown Warsaw on Saturday, in an independence-day procession organized by a nationalist youth movement that seeks an ethnically pure Poland with fewer Jews or Muslims."
"The Radical Camp presents itself as the heir to a 1930s fascist movement of the same name, which fought to rid Poland of Jews in the years just before the Holocaust. A second group, All Polish Youth, also named after an anti-Jewish interwar movement, co-organized it."
This is what happens after a populace has faced Nazi/Communist occupation?
"Tens of thousands of Poles marched across downtown Warsaw on Saturday, in an independence-day procession organized by a nationalist youth movement that seeks an ethnically pure Poland with fewer Jews or Muslims."
"The Radical Camp presents itself as the heir to a 1930s fascist movement of the same name, which fought to rid Poland of Jews in the years just before the Holocaust. A second group, All Polish Youth, also named after an anti-Jewish interwar movement, co-organized it."
This is what happens after a populace has faced Nazi/Communist occupation?
teachercd
Some of you don't understand Poland and I am guessing never will.
Excel
...and?
Let them work it out. We make a big deal of Russians meddling in our elections, why stick our fingers in Polish political business?
As Americans we love to export democracy and then condem how the newly democratic people exercise their rights...see Iraq and Afghanistan. The Poles have a democracy let them vote how they please. When they actually begin to violate human rights I’ll begin to care.
I didn’t read the article and my original response was based on much of the negative coverage that Catholic and Nationalist/Anti-Immigrant groups in Poland have been receiving the last few months and I stand by that.
Let them work it out. We make a big deal of Russians meddling in our elections, why stick our fingers in Polish political business?
As Americans we love to export democracy and then condem how the newly democratic people exercise their rights...see Iraq and Afghanistan. The Poles have a democracy let them vote how they please. When they actually begin to violate human rights I’ll begin to care.
I didn’t read the article and my original response was based on much of the negative coverage that Catholic and Nationalist/Anti-Immigrant groups in Poland have been receiving the last few months and I stand by that.
commando
i'm too old. never thought i would see a polish nazi party.
zoogs
I'm confused, Excel. I didn't say anything about the US interfering in Polish business. This is a straightforward is-it-good or is-it-f'n-alarming that this is happening kind of deal. I'm honestly astonished that there is any debate about where that falls. Thousands marching because they want to make their country more ethnically "pure", and remove Jews, is far past the point where one should care. I guess we have some very different stances on these topics.
Excel
"I didn't say anything about the US interfering in Polish business."
No, you didn't but that is where this discussion naturally leads. A 20-something "journalist" with no understanding of Polish history goes to Poland and stumbles upon a nationalist rally, sees a few idiots waiving fascist symbols and labels them all Nazis. Add in a crappy Vice feature and Americans will be rabbiling about a boycott, the Government will mull over sanctions and people will start protesting outside their embassy. That's where this goes.
"This is a straightforward is-it-good or is-it-f'n-alarming that this is happening kind of deal. "
It is straightforward. You either support Polish democracy, human rights, and their right to self determination or you're a Communist.
I kid.
Not everything is black and white. I don't believe that it's good and I don't believe that it's alarming, I absolutely do not care. I barely care about a few hundred American wahoos marching. It's their right in a democracy, let them do it. When it becomes Polish national policy and people are actually affected I'll care, until then; their house, their business.
They're a small group with no representation in the Polish Parliament. Giving them attention is part of a larger campaign by western media to shame Poles for their widely held anti-immigrant beliefs which is ridiculous.
No, you didn't but that is where this discussion naturally leads. A 20-something "journalist" with no understanding of Polish history goes to Poland and stumbles upon a nationalist rally, sees a few idiots waiving fascist symbols and labels them all Nazis. Add in a crappy Vice feature and Americans will be rabbiling about a boycott, the Government will mull over sanctions and people will start protesting outside their embassy. That's where this goes.
"This is a straightforward is-it-good or is-it-f'n-alarming that this is happening kind of deal. "
It is straightforward. You either support Polish democracy, human rights, and their right to self determination or you're a Communist.
I kid.
Not everything is black and white. I don't believe that it's good and I don't believe that it's alarming, I absolutely do not care. I barely care about a few hundred American wahoos marching. It's their right in a democracy, let them do it. When it becomes Polish national policy and people are actually affected I'll care, until then; their house, their business.
They're a small group with no representation in the Polish Parliament. Giving them attention is part of a larger campaign by western media to shame Poles for their widely held anti-immigrant beliefs which is ridiculous.
teachercd
Excel...Excellent. Nice work and basically this ends the thread
zoogs
Wow.
ZRod
So when we see something wrong, unjust, or otherwise unethical we shouldn't speak about it until it actually hurts people?
teachercd
Heck no...speak up! Look what we are doing with Riley! NO MORE!
ZRod
So your being facetious.
teachercd
No...I think people should speak up if they feel something is wrong no matter the topic. I think most of us do.