Middle East going crazy

huskerdavo

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I am sure most of you keep somewhat up to date on the current events. That being said. Israel issued an ultimatum to Syria today.

Washington has information according to which Israel gave Damascus 72 hours to stop Hizbullah’s activity along the Lebanon-Israel border and bring about the release the two kidnapped IDF soldiers or it would launch an offensive with disastrous consequences
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In 72 hours will the troops be handed over to the Israelis or will this regional war be expanded? Also, If you say that Israel will strike Syria do you honestly believe that Iran will enter the picture as they promised Syria?

I have been wanting to post something on this topic earlier it is just constantly changing and it is a volatile situation over there right now.

 
If Israel hits Syria, and Iran responds, It's over. IMO it'll spill all over the middle east and we'll end up paying $5 bucks a gallon. or more not to mention the greater danger our troops and civilians will be in.

 
If Israel hits Syria, and Iran responds, It's over. IMO it'll spill all over the middle east and we'll end up paying $5 bucks a gallon. or more not to mention the greater danger our troops and civilians will be in.
When and if Iran gets involved we are forced at that point to become involved. Iran cannot get to Syria without going through Iraq so I think we all know what that means.

 
I'll buy one as well!!! :lol: If we get into this incident and then North Korea you can bet your asses the draft will be implemented!!!! If so I'm just going to join the Coast Guard!!! :wacko:

 
Man I hope we keep our noses out of it if at all possible. 
How could we stay out of it if Iran becomes involved?

Of course Israel believes that Iran/Syria are already involved but I am talkng about physically involved rather than strategically or monetarily.

We are just fortunate we do not have to deal with being rocketed and blown up everyday like in Israel because if we did maybe people of your mindset would actually be pissed off about these jihadists that believe blowing themselves up is normal.

Israel is fighting two terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah I support their cause and I hope that they have extreme success. I was wondering when they were going to strike back they seem to put up with alot. I guess some forget all the suicide bombings that happen their nearly everyday when they are at "peace."

Thankfully we have a leader at the moment that will support Israel.

 
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I think the U.S. is telling Israel not to attack Syria or Iran, and let the U.S. deal with those two evil empires. Hopefully Lebanon's leaders finally have the guts to kick those terrrorists out of the southern part of the country. They may need some foreign troups (not U.S.) to finish the job. Israel will not stop attacking until those terrorists are removed from the south and are replaced with the Lebanise Army or foreign troops. A cease fire would be the worst thing right now, sending the wrong message to the terrorists. That would allow them to fight another day.

 
I think the U.S. is telling Israel not to attack Syria or Iran, and let the U.S. deal with those two evil empires. Hopefully Lebanon's leaders finally have the guts to kick those terrrorists out of the southern part of the country. They may need some foreign troups (not U.S.) to finish the job. Israel will not stop attacking until those terrorists are removed from the south and are replaced with the Lebanise Army or foreign troops. A cease fire would be the worst thing right now, sending the wrong message to the terrorists. That would allow them to fight another day.
:yeah Totally agree we should stay out of it until those two jump in. Not worried about Syria but Iran. Once Iran jumps in its time to take care of those nuke facilties. This war proves why having a Muslim democracy is important. Hope it works out!

Go IDF :horns2

 
How could we stay out of it if Iran becomes involved?
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We currently are fighting on two fronts - Afghanistan and Iraq. We lack the numbers of soldiers to properly do both. While we can offer support in terms of weapons, I don't see how we can ask a military that is already streched to the breaking point to attempt to fight on a third front.

 
How could we stay out of it if Iran becomes involved?
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We currently are fighting on two fronts - Afghanistan and Iraq. We lack the numbers of soldiers to properly do both. While we can offer support in terms of weapons, I don't see how we can ask a military that is already streched to the breaking point to attempt to fight on a third front.
Well what I think would happen is we would have to pull together in Iraq to fight Iran. We would not be able to invade Iran but if Iran entered Iraq we could hold them off. After all we could stop the peace keeping and attack Iran from both sides as long as IDF ponied up some troops as well. We are not as weak as some might think. Our technology alone would kick their a$$ while we wait for reinforcements. Plus a benefit of Iran invading Iraq enroute to Israel is we could pick off their army little by little and it would make it that much easier to deliver the final blow to Tehran. I guess it is time for congress to enlarge our numbers once again and get those troops trained and ready to lay the smack down on these people who do not show any concern for human life. Not their own and not anyone that does not believe in their psychotic radical muslim beliefs.

 
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Our technology alone would kick their a$$ while we wait for reinforcements.
It hasn’t been enough in either Iraq or Afghanistan to quell either the sectarian violence or al-Quida…

Technology is all well and good, and we certainly have it on our side. But if there is one thing we’ve learned recently, it is that technology is not enough – you have to have boots on the ground. And we simply don’t have enough of those to continually open up new fronts – especially against a militarized country that is 3 to 5 five times larger (depending on whether you measure geographically or by population) than Iraq.

Now, should Iran be foolish enough to try a troop movement through Iraq similar to the German march across Europe, than yes, we should be able to handle it. But if they simply use the current “underground railroad” method of transfer and delivery of troops or weapons, or simply go around by way of mountainous regions of Turkey or northern Iraq, technology will offer little advantage.

Simply ask your self this – if technology was enough, why haven’t we deployed it against Iran? A country that is developing nuclear power, that – unlike Iraq – is based on a united religious crusade against the West, that has taken hostile actions against America, and that sponsors, funds, and arms radial terrorist organizations?

And where would these reinforcements you mention come from? What few coalition forces we had to begin with are leaving – Japan will be gone shortly. It is quickly coming down to the US and Britain – and the sentiment in Britain increases each day to pull out.

Plus a benefit of Iran invading Iraq enroute to Israel is we could pick off their army little by little and it would make it that much easier to deliver the final blow to Tehran.
Again, what if they deploy troops via the north? That’s the kind of country that makes it difficult to impossible to strike using just missiles. You have to send in large numbers of men to blanket the valleys and passes – a good way to get slaughtered by those that know the terrain far better than we. And if we do manage to pin them down, we have found via Afghanistan that rooting them out is nigh-on to impossible. But we couldn’t simply leave them there – which means we would have to deploy massive amounts of soldiers to cover that front, thereby weakening our (limited) ability to police Iraq.

As far as delivering the “final blow to Tehran” – just take a look at Iraq. And, again, Iran is three to five times the size of Iraq…

I guess it is time for congress to enlarge our numbers once again and get those troops trained and ready to lay the smack down on these people who do not show any concern for human life. Not their own and not anyone that does not believe in their psychotic radical muslim beliefs.
How – through a draft? Or do you see some kind of congressional bill that authorizes incentives for volunteering? If the former, look to Bush’s statements about a draft during the campaign. Then, add to that the growing desire of Americans to leave Iraq – more than 50% by far of the population. No Senator or Congressman would dare vote for a draft under those circumstances.

If the latter, what incentives do you think they could offer that would reverse the precipitous decline in recruitments that has occurred?

The realities are far more complex and subtle than simply saying, “Hulk smash”. Any actions we take against Iran will have to be carefully weighed in light of the repercussions. Virtually none of our nominal middle-east allies would support it. Most of the democracies don’t support it. It would further polarize the populations of the Middle East, thereby ensuring even more entrenched hatred toward America and the desire to harm us.

Nuclear strikes are almost out of the question. If anything, it would spur radical Islamic countries to greater speeds in developing and deploying intercontinental nuclear warheads against the US.

The truth of the matter is that we should never have entered Iraq. The country had no WMDs, no ties to al-Quaida (in fact, the government under Hussein was anathema to al-Quida’s stated goals and interests), no terrorist training camps, and no ties to 9/11. All of which was known to the administration prior to the invasion. Because of that, though, we lost our best chance to topple the Taliban in Afghanistan, rid the world of Osama bin Laden, develop a united front with China, Russia and most other powers and allies, and we’ve now stretched out military so thin that when a legitimate threat occurs, we lack the manpower and resources to address it. And worst of all, we've seen over 2,500 American lives lost unnecessarily.

Opening up a new front is not a realistic scenario…

 
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Ar, you have a reasonable argument about us not going into Iraq and instead finishing off the Taliban first and then dealing with Iran, Syria and North Korea. We could had waited on Iraq.

But how can you be 100 percent sure there wasn't any ties between saddam and al-Quida? There appears to have been some possible evidence -- it's been reported in some news outlets. Of course I don't have any sustantial proof. But AR, you don't have any either. You can ask me how do you know? And I can ask you, how do you know? You and I both don't know what is really going on over there. One cannot completely be 100 percent sure there wasn't any ties between Saddm and al-Quida. The same goes with WMDs.

You sure can't go by politicians from both parties who spin all over the place. You certainly can't trust the main stream media with its far left wing bias. To me, to find objective information is nearly impossible. (Although I feel better about Fox News.) I don't trust politicians from either party and I generally don't trust the main stream media.

So I don't know for sure one way or the other. You don't know for sure either. Anyone who says otherwise is politically spinning.

 
Trust me there are plenty of males out there that are draft eligible and don't think congress wouldn't make it happen!!! Anyone see a WW3 starting!!! :blink:

 
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