P&R bullsh#t that clogs up the Dbag thread

[Redux]

Here, we can debate that stuff in here if you guys would like.

 

[Redux]

As my grandpa used to say, "Right's right and wrong's a shitass."Claiming there are no truths is a copout. You choose to be uninformed and pretend "we just can't ever know the truth because everyone has a different opinion," fine. But don't pretend a fact isn't a fact.

Don't pretend every biased piece of information is fact.

I didn't, and your inability to discern that is your problem.

I also like how you use the word uniformed when referring to people who disagree with you. Another reason I steer clear of P&R.

I used the word "uninformed" to refer to people who choose not to be informed. Keep up.

But you come off as anyone who doesn't buy into the same line of thinking as you is uniformed.

 

[knapplc]

But you come off as anyone who doesn't buy into the same line of thinking as you is uniformed.

This is a straw man. I haven't in any way said that. I've said the people who choose to be uninformed are uninformed. That goes for people who agree or disagree with me.

 

[Redux]

As my grandpa used to say, "Right's right and wrong's a shitass."Claiming there are no truths is a copout. You choose to be uninformed and pretend "we just can't ever know the truth because everyone has a different opinion," fine. But don't pretend a fact isn't a fact.

Don't pretend every biased piece of information is fact.

I agree with Knapp on this one.

Who the heck do we believe if we can't get truth from anything? Are we just supposed to give up on seeking out any objective truth?

Not at all. If one wishes to seek answers they should do so. But people are easily swayed, and answers come with a heaping of bias.

My history teacher in HS was a severe liberal. I remember him showing us the made for TV movie about 9/11. Before playing the tape, he had this to say. "Now, before we watch this, understand that the producers etc. made President Bush look a lot more impressive than he is."

I though, how unfair is that? He just swayed everyone in the room into thinking what they were about to see was bullsh#t.

 

[Redux]

It's just laziness. "Everyone is biased so we can't trust anyone" is another way of saying, "I'm too lazy to verify anything through multiple sources so I'm not going to try."The problem isn't that there's no objective truth, it's that you can't or won't find it, or when you DO find it, it goes contrary to your biases so it makes you feel better to believe that nothing can be factual.

Speaking of straw men...

 

[knapplc]

As my grandpa used to say, "Right's right and wrong's a shitass."Claiming there are no truths is a copout. You choose to be uninformed and pretend "we just can't ever know the truth because everyone has a different opinion," fine. But don't pretend a fact isn't a fact.

Don't pretend every biased piece of information is fact.

I agree with Knapp on this one.

Who the heck do we believe if we can't get truth from anything? Are we just supposed to give up on seeking out any objective truth?

Not at all. If one wishes to seek answers they should do so. But people are easily swayed, and answers come with a heaping of bias.

My history teacher in HS was a severe liberal. I remember him showing us the made for TV movie about 9/11. Before playing the tape, he had this to say. "Now, before we watch this, understand that the producers etc. made President Bush look a lot more impressive than he is."

I though, how unfair is that? He just swayed everyone in the room into thinking what they were about to see was bullsh#t.

It's completely unfair and unworthy of an educator.

But, you used your ability to reason and realized it was unfair, and you countered that bias with fact. He didn't sway everyone, you're an example of that.

This is all you need to do. Use your ability to reason. Think. Don't accept "this made President Bush look more impressive than he was" as fact. Check it.

How hard was that? Doesn't appear to have been that hard for you at all.

 

[knapplc]

It's just laziness. "Everyone is biased so we can't trust anyone" is another way of saying, "I'm too lazy to verify anything through multiple sources so I'm not going to try."The problem isn't that there's no objective truth, it's that you can't or won't find it, or when you DO find it, it goes contrary to your biases so it makes you feel better to believe that nothing can be factual.

Speaking of straw men...

Then what is the objective fact?

 

[Redux]

As my grandpa used to say, "Right's right and wrong's a shitass."Claiming there are no truths is a copout. You choose to be uninformed and pretend "we just can't ever know the truth because everyone has a different opinion," fine. But don't pretend a fact isn't a fact.

Don't pretend every biased piece of information is fact.

I agree with Knapp on this one. Who the heck do we believe if we can't get truth from anything? Are we just supposed to give up on seeking out any objective truth?

Not at all. If one wishes to seek answers they should do so. But people are easily swayed, and answers come with a heaping of bias.My history teacher in HS was a severe liberal. I remember him showing us the made for TV movie about 9/11. Before playing the tape, he had this to say. "Now, before we watch this, understand that the producers etc. made President Bush look a lot more impressive than he is."I though, how unfair is that? He just swayed everyone in the room into thinking what they were about to see was bullsh#t.

It's completely unfair and unworthy of an educator.But, you used your ability to reason and realized it was unfair, and you countered that bias with fact. He didn't sway everyone, you're an example of that.This is all you need to do. Use your ability to reason. Think. Don't accept "this made President Bush look more impressive than he was" as fact. Check it.How hard was that? Doesn't appear to have been that hard for you at all.

But he was a fantastic educator, your assumption is wrong. You came to that conclusion as someone who didn't have all the facts.

Not all people make up their own minds, many accept whatever they are told. That goes for both parties and creates what we have today, a broken system that's only true function is dividing and distracting the public.

 

[Redux]

It's just laziness. "Everyone is biased so we can't trust anyone" is another way of saying, "I'm too lazy to verify anything through multiple sources so I'm not going to try."The problem isn't that there's no objective truth, it's that you can't or won't find it, or when you DO find it, it goes contrary to your biases so it makes you feel better to believe that nothing can be factual.

Speaking of straw men...

Then what is the objective fact?

It's not that I'm lazy, I just don't care about EVERY stupid issue. Who gives a flying f#*k how many people were at the Trump innaguration?

 

[knapplc]

As my grandpa used to say, "Right's right and wrong's a shitass."Claiming there are no truths is a copout. You choose to be uninformed and pretend "we just can't ever know the truth because everyone has a different opinion," fine. But don't pretend a fact isn't a fact.

Don't pretend every biased piece of information is fact.

I agree with Knapp on this one. Who the heck do we believe if we can't get truth from anything? Are we just supposed to give up on seeking out any objective truth?

Not at all. If one wishes to seek answers they should do so. But people are easily swayed, and answers come with a heaping of bias.My history teacher in HS was a severe liberal. I remember him showing us the made for TV movie about 9/11. Before playing the tape, he had this to say. "Now, before we watch this, understand that the producers etc. made President Bush look a lot more impressive than he is."I though, how unfair is that? He just swayed everyone in the room into thinking what they were about to see was bullsh#t.

It's completely unfair and unworthy of an educator.But, you used your ability to reason and realized it was unfair, and you countered that bias with fact. He didn't sway everyone, you're an example of that.This is all you need to do. Use your ability to reason. Think. Don't accept "this made President Bush look more impressive than he was" as fact. Check it.How hard was that? Doesn't appear to have been that hard for you at all.

But he was a fantastic educator, your assumption is wrong. You came to that conclusion as someone who didn't have all the facts.

Not all people make up their own minds, many accept whatever they are told. That goes for both parties and creates what we have today, a broken system that's only true function is dividing and distracting the public.

Dude, actually read what I'm writing. What assumption do you think I'm making?

 

[knapplc]

Who gives a flying f#*k how many people were at the Trump innaguration?

Donald Trump

 

[Redux]

Who gives a flying f#*k how many people were at the Trump innaguration?

Donald Trump

Somehow I doubt that

 

[Redux]

As my grandpa used to say, "Right's right and wrong's a shitass."Claiming there are no truths is a copout. You choose to be uninformed and pretend "we just can't ever know the truth because everyone has a different opinion," fine. But don't pretend a fact isn't a fact.

Don't pretend every biased piece of information is fact.

I agree with Knapp on this one. Who the heck do we believe if we can't get truth from anything? Are we just supposed to give up on seeking out any objective truth?

Not at all. If one wishes to seek answers they should do so. But people are easily swayed, and answers come with a heaping of bias.My history teacher in HS was a severe liberal. I remember him showing us the made for TV movie about 9/11. Before playing the tape, he had this to say. "Now, before we watch this, understand that the producers etc. made President Bush look a lot more impressive than he is."I though, how unfair is that? He just swayed everyone in the room into thinking what they were about to see was bullsh#t.

It's completely unfair and unworthy of an educator.But, you used your ability to reason and realized it was unfair, and you countered that bias with fact. He didn't sway everyone, you're an example of that.This is all you need to do. Use your ability to reason. Think. Don't accept "this made President Bush look more impressive than he was" as fact. Check it.How hard was that? Doesn't appear to have been that hard for you at all.

But he was a fantastic educator, your assumption is wrong. You came to that conclusion as someone who didn't have all the facts.Not all people make up their own minds, many accept whatever they are told. That goes for both parties and creates what we have today, a broken system that's only true function is dividing and distracting the public.

Dude, actually read what I'm writing. What assumption do you think I'm making?

It came across as you assumed he was not a good educator, appologies if you weren't making that assumption.

 

[Danny Bateman]

So, I'm curious Redux.

You seem averse to media, which is understandable. There is implicit bias, sometimes almost none, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot, in any reporting. I've always thought it was best to try to read stuff from a variety of reputable sources to try to get a well-rounded view and hack through the bias as best we can. Just because there is bias in something doesn't mean it's useless if we can see through it.

But fact is fact.

What do you personally use to get info on something? Is it just conversations with other people? Do you have a particular outlet you trust? I'm just trying to figure out how you get informed on stuff you want to learn about.