The only counterpoint I'll make is that we can't say that those players didn't have talent. Your statement abour 4* is apt. Even if perhaps some of them were overrated, its depth you can't just kick to the curb. From a talent, ready for signicificant playing time perspective, I'd guess that Green and Moore had pretty good shots and being significant contributors to the team next season and beyond. Lets hope the incoming class, or RS fresh, can immediately replace these departures.
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I would also like someone to point out the last transfer that left that had a legitimate impact on the (major) program they went to. I say major in order to leave out the Cody Green situation, because he went to Tulsa. Tyler Moore may be the first I can recall because he obviously has the tools to do so, but honestly, I dont expect him to.
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I think that's the key here. I don't see the number of players leaving as that big of an issue. 2-3 leave every year. Bo needs to just count on that, especially when it comes to recruiting. Last year we spent all season saying we'd sign 15-17 guys...then ended up 5 short. I like the psychologist suggestion. There is absolutely no way that Bo and his staff can be in tune w/ 125 players. But they need to be on top of these things so they can head it off before it ever happens. Sometimes it's just something little - that festers over time and before you know it a guy like Heard is out the door. If they'd known about this 12 weeks ago could they have given him a few more reps? If they'd have known about it 4 weeks ago could they have had a conversation that fixes everything?
Heard, Peat and Moore are the 3 that concern me - because I don't see any reason for the 3 transfers. Marsh/Klatchko - those things happen. Throw in Rome as a very near miss and that is a lot of talent that Nebraska can't afford to lose if we want to be at the level of Michigan/Ohio State. Whatever underlying issues w/ Peat might have also been the root issue behind little Peat not signing. We just don't get enough of this top end talent to see it walking out the door.
funhusker
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hp13,
You and I are on the same page. It is just different than Shatel's. What we call "depth" he tries to call "top talent". I say the top talent on the team is starting and contributing in Meaningfuly way, at least until the real journalist uncover a Callahanesque sabitage theoryby the current staff.
My remark about 4* would be the same about any player, if the media found them "important". Why "exactly" did they leave. Ask the players. Demand answers about the situation. Ask the coaches too. No one is 'off the hook'. If the writers are willing to raise questions about the direction Bo's program is heading, I hope they know the details of these transfers. Because, who knows, maybe the transfers will bring the Huskers one step closer to success.
My main point: Shatel made assumptions based on questions he asked...not answers he recieved. That is why it is a meaningless article, no different that what we read here. And here, it is fresh material every other second...
kchusker_chris
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But I think that is just the nature of transfering. The grass is rarely greener - and the time spent off the field, combined with the transition make it VERY difficult to have the same success you would have had at your original place. Moore would have had a big impact on the Huskers. Peat likely as well. Heard definately. Aaron Green possibly. But as transfers...maybe one of these does much noteworthy. I don't take that to mean that they never would have done anything as a Husker though.
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blessed2bahusker
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We have heard about the recruiting consultants we've been using to identify recruits with the right kind of attitude, or character, or mental make-up, whatever you want to call it. Does anyone know when we started using these guys? I'm not worried about the numbers of transfers in general because, as has been pointed out, it is just part of College Football, but I am also just a tad bit concerned because all of these guys were our Home Run recruits of 3 years ago. They are our most physically talented players with the most upside. It probably is just coincidence, but it makes you take notice.
kchusker_chris
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I'm just guessing - but we don't have a staff of consultants that review our recruits/targets. What they probably did was come in for 1-2 weeks, met with the staff and did some sort of analysis and/or presented some ideas for identifying traits and characteristics, etc. they aren't part of the every day process in any sort of way. again, i'm just guessing but based on what I heard that is how it was communicated to me.
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Carlfense, no offense but your avatar looks like Papa Smurf in real life....
On topic: Attrition sucks, everywhere.
On topic: Attrition sucks, everywhere.
kchusker_chris
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^ Life Aquatic - perhaps one of the dumbest movies I've ever seen. Right up there with The Big Year. For some reason I seem to keep watching them though.
(and they always have owen wilson)
(and they always have owen wilson)
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blessed2bahusker
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That would make sense, but I'm still curious as to when we first consulted these guys. Maybe it doesn't matter, but it would give me a little more peace if we consulted with them after this crop of players.
kchusker_chris
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first I heard of it was last offseason - so definitely before Heard and these other guys. But I find it hard to believe we wouldn't have still taken Heard. The kid worked his a$$ for a year to get here, took the ACT what seemed like a dozen times to avoid going the JUCO route and get a full 4 years at NU. Now all of a sudden he's gone. There's more to this than we are hearing...just a hunch. The staff hung with him through all that - and at the same time he did everything that was asked of him to get here and play. Something deeper we dn't know about.
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