SCOTUS and Gay Marriage

This was a example to base my "right to refuse service" belief on.

Dun?

I'm dun.

This is why I need to quit commenting on stuff in the politics forum. I know what I think. I'm just very bad at expressing it.
I think that is why many of us are here. I know it's why I'm here. Practice. Mental exercise.

This is a great place to discuss politics and religion and practice expressing yourself in a way other folks will properly interpret your full meaning. I don't know about you, but things can get heated and uncomfortable discussing these topics with friends and family. It's much safer here.

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And sorry to pile on -- not my intention. I read the old posts like yours and wanted to chime in before I caught up with everything that posted - when in fact you and knapplc already said pretty much the same thing.
I agree. I find everyone here sharpens me and challenges me. Some people can frame an arguement better and I appreciate the intelligence behind the way they frame it. I know I'm not the sharpest stick in the bunch, so it is always good to hear other perspectives. I think we rarely move off of our deeply held core beliefs but it gives me understanding, tolerance and acceptance of the other person's perspective. I would say I have modify some of my views over the years based on discussions hear and on 'huskerpedia' (defunct- where I 1st got on political/religious forums.) Example: I have moved from being more of a 'neocon' (ra ra GWB invasion of Iraq) in perspective to what I would call more of a constitutional conservative/libertarian in my positions - except where those libertarian views disagree wt my strongly held religious beliefs such as on abortion. - right to life for the baby.

My faith perspective tells me that homosexuality practice is wrong - but it also tells me hetersexual adultry is wrong. However, though the acts be wrong, my faith tells me that they (those who practice the acts) are no diff than I - because I've done wrong as well - "He who is without sin, throw the 1st stone". So, again love and grace towards individuals is what is really important - for I am in need of the same love and grace. This is the personal side.

There is also the political side. Morality can be defined as what 50% + 1 in a society defines it to be. Ethics can be defined (as a simple definition) as what "ought to be" - based on natural law - the law written in every man's heart (Romans chapter 1). We ought to act in a certain way - Jesus summed it up in 2 commands - Love God with all of our heart, mind, soul and strength (deals with our pride, independance, & willfulness) and Love our neighbor as ourself (deals with our selfishness at the expense of others). This is the highest ideal - however, none of us fully live up to it. So, when I look at the political side of the issue: it is the battle to be in the 50% + 1 that defines societal morality. I recognize that we are now in a 'post-Christian' America. While the culture has been greatly influenced for the good by Christian principles, from a governing perspective the society has become much more diverse. In the 1980s the Moral Majority had great power because the swing to a more secular society had not fully occured. So, what is my response as a Christian? It is to still try to persuade from a Biblical perspective but yet embrace the fact that the Kingdom of God is not a political one. That the royal law is not to create a Christian America but to love, to care, and to show compassion as Christ would. While we don't give up the right or desire to persuade in the public arena, our infuence in this more secular society may more effectively be felt as we practice the 2 royal laws of love that Christ taught. Christians have lived in much more secular societies than the USA.

 
This was a example to base my "right to refuse service" belief on.

Dun?

I'm dun.

This is why I need to quit commenting on stuff in the politics forum. I know what I think. I'm just very bad at expressing it.
I think that is why many of us are here. I know it's why I'm here. Practice. Mental exercise.

This is a great place to discuss politics and religion and practice expressing yourself in a way other folks will properly interpret your full meaning. I don't know about you, but things can get heated and uncomfortable discussing these topics with friends and family. It's much safer here.

--

And sorry to pile on -- not my intention. I read the old posts like yours and wanted to chime in before I caught up with everything that posted - when in fact you and knapplc already said pretty much the same thing.
Screw you guys....I'm here to convert everyone over to my way of thinking so they can now live in peace knowing they are right.

When that happens, the world will be a better place.

 
I can't agree here. I didn't really have an adult male in my life until I was old enough to date one and I never felt any lack.

Not to discredit your opinion or thoughts in any way, Moiraine, but I grew up without a father also. He was gone long before I was born. I never felt a lack either, but the last 4-5 years I've been understanding and uncovering a lot of ways that I have been scarred by that. They weren't ever conscious or felt, but they've certainly existed, in profound ways, and I'm still healing from those things.

This helps explain the ponies.
Don't start.

 
And yet another reason for anti-discrimination laws for homosexuals:

Gay Man Escorted Out of Missouri Hospital in Handcuffs for Refusing to Leave Sick Partner’s Side

Missouri law does not explicitly protect it citizens from being discriminated against based on their sexual orientation.
http://gawker.com/59...k-partners-side
Thank goodness we're protecting society from such evil people. This man wanted to stay with his partner because he loved him. If there's something we need to stamp out of this society - by law if necessary - it's love and loyalty.

Tax dollars were spent on removing this man from his loved one's side. I'm so proud.

 
And yet another reason for anti-discrimination laws for homosexuals:

Gay Man Escorted Out of Missouri Hospital in Handcuffs for Refusing to Leave Sick Partner’s Side

Missouri law does not explicitly protect it citizens from being discriminated against based on their sexual orientation.
http://gawker.com/59...k-partners-side
Thank goodness we're protecting society from such evil people. This man wanted to stay with his partner because he loved him. If there's something we need to stamp out of this society - by law if necessary - it's love and loyalty.

Tax dollars were spent on removing this man from his loved one's side. I'm so proud.
Dude had Power of Attorney and the hospital chose not to review his documentation. POA trumps family for adults. If he continues legal action, the bank is in trouble.

 
And yet another reason for anti-discrimination laws for homosexuals:

Gay Man Escorted Out of Missouri Hospital in Handcuffs for Refusing to Leave Sick Partner’s Side

Missouri law does not explicitly protect it citizens from being discriminated against based on their sexual orientation.
http://gawker.com/59...k-partners-side
Thank goodness we're protecting society from such evil people. This man wanted to stay with his partner because he loved him. If there's something we need to stamp out of this society - by law if necessary - it's love and loyalty.

Tax dollars were spent on removing this man from his loved one's side. I'm so proud.
Dude had Power of Attorney and the hospital chose not to review his documentation. POA trumps family for adults. If he continues legal action, the bank is in trouble.
And it sounds like the hospital could get in trouble with any Federal funding they receive too.

 
For them to get in trouble with Federal funding, I think the gay couple has to be "married" or in a "civil union," I THINK. Since Missouri doesn't allow that nonsense, they dodge that bigoted bullet.

So this is similar to a an unmarried heterosexual couple, except for that pesky POA.

 
For them to get in trouble with Federal funding, I think the gay couple has to be "married" or in a "civil union," I THINK. Since Missouri doesn't allow that nonsense, they dodge that bigoted bullet.

So this is similar to a an unmarried heterosexual couple, except for that pesky POA.
The article stated civil union actually. Which ties back to the original topic. Now weather or not the methheads care is something else.

 
It seems to me that the Virginia Att Gen might have been onto something...

He wants to keep heterosexual (non-natural) sex illegal.

http://m.motherjones...anti-sodomy-law

If it's morally wrong the way the gys do it, it wrong for married couples to do it any way that isn't pro-creation style.

Right? Can I get an amen?
I'm a little naïve and innocent. Can someone, or maybe I should say somebody, explain what "pro-creation" style means specifically. Does that mean if the action cannot culminate in pregnancy then it's con-creation style? Or are we relegated to missionary only position? Is doggy ok? Oral? :dunno Just some of the things I am curious about. Those all seem pretty "natural" to me, as long as it's with a female.

 
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It seems to me that the Virginia Att Gen might have been onto something...

He wants to keep heterosexual (non-natural) sex illegal.

http://m.motherjones...anti-sodomy-law

If it's morally wrong the way the gys do it, it wrong for married couples to do it any way that isn't pro-creation style.

Right? Can I get an amen?
I'm a little naïve and innocent. Can someone, or maybe I should say somebody, explain what "pro-creation" style means specifically. Does that mean if the action cannot culminate in pregnancy then it's con-creation style? Or are we relegated to missionary only position? Is doggy ok? Oral? :dunno Just some of the things I am curious about. Those all seem pretty "natural" to me, as long as it's with a female.
Are you serious? If so, I can help. My wife is catholic, and I had to go through all the catholic classes before getting married and such.

Pro-creation style is no withdrawel (pulling out as known to most) or use of contraceptives. Whether you get pregnant or not is irrelevant, so much as you dont try to prevent it.

 
Mr. Accountability (told ya...)- I was only slightly serious. There were a couple things in "someone" post that seemed a bit off. 1- keep heterosexual (non-natural) sex illegal. ?? I guess I was not aware.....

2- and then the logic leap doozy "if it's morally wrong the way 'they' do it, then it's wrong for married couples to do it non pro-creation style"

Maybe it's just me but I've never thought the physical mechanics of it had any bearing on whether it was moral or natural. Personally I don't care what or how 'they' do it, none of my business. But, if somebody were to ask me, I'd say it is definitely not natural. I can't imagine "not pulling out" would change the naturalness or the morality of the action.

But, my first questions were tongue in cheek....

 
Mr. Accountability (told ya...)- I was only slightly serious. There were a couple things in "someone" post that seemed a bit off. 1- keep heterosexual (non-natural) sex illegal. ?? I guess I was not aware.....

2- and then the logic leap doozy "if it's morally wrong the way 'they' do it, then it's wrong for married couples to do it non pro-creation style"

Maybe it's just me but I've never thought the physical mechanics of it had any bearing on whether it was moral or natural. Personally I don't care what or how 'they' do it, none of my business. But, if somebody were to ask me, I'd say it is definitely not natural. I can't imagine "not pulling out" would change the naturalness or the morality of the action.

But, my first questions were tongue in cheek....
You need to read the Bible passage about spilling your seed.

 
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