so, listening to Sharp and Benning in the morning

Fallacy of what argument?
That 70% winning percentage is some sort of unmitigated disaster. If that's not what you meant, than maybe you should be a little less vague with your attempted statement.

Hey. Just listen to these two guys for a while and figure out how to think, ok?
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Or maybe I paid attention to the 2003-2004 coaching search among other things. How'd that turn out? Heck even Urb wanted nothing to do with DoNU when he was at a mid major and we still had a lot more cache' than we do now.

"After Frank Solich was fired in 2003 by Pederson, potential candidates such as Florida coach Urban Meyer, then at Utah, avoided Nebraska. After all, if a coach can get fired after going 9-3 and 58-19 in six seasons, the margin for error must be razor thin."

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Fallacy of what argument?
That 70% winning percentage is some sort of unmitigated disaster. If that's not what you meant, than maybe you should be a little less vague with your attempted statement.

Hey. Just listen to these two guys for a while and figure out how to think, ok?
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Or maybe I paid attention to the 2003-2004 coaching search among other things. How'd that turn out? Heck even Urb wanted nothing to do with DoNU when he was at a mid major and we still had a lot more cache' than we do now.

"After Frank Solich was fired in 2003 by Pederson, potential candidates such as Florida coach Urban Meyer, then at Utah, avoided Nebraska. After all, if a coach can get fired after going 9-3 and 58-19 in six seasons, the margin for error must be razor thin."

http://www2.kusports...aching_his_job/

#Independentthinker#9 wins
The obvious difference, of course, is that everyone was saying Nebraska was nuts when Solich got axed in 03. I watched the commentary after Bo's defiant, stupid child act after Iowa, and nearly all expected Bo to not make the weekend.

Kind of an important point.

 
The obvious difference, of course, is that everyone was saying Nebraska was nuts when Solich got axed in 03. I watched the commentary after Bo's defiant, stupid child act after Iowa, and nearly all expected Bo to not make the weekend.

Kind of an important point.
I'll concede that. But if you think that getting rid of a guy that just went 8-4 would be a slam dunk, out of this world hire, we're gonna have to agree to disagree. Both USC and texa$$ (better jobs than DoNU) went way down their lists to get guys to fill those jobs, so I can't imagine that Nebraska would have pulled a better candidate that those two. Personally, I think that Strong will do ok at texa$$, but I can't imagine Sark being a great hire at USC.

 
The obvious difference, of course, is that everyone was saying Nebraska was nuts when Solich got axed in 03. I watched the commentary after Bo's defiant, stupid child act after Iowa, and nearly all expected Bo to not make the weekend.

Kind of an important point.
I'll concede that. But if you think that getting rid of a guy that just went 8-4 would be a slam dunk, out of this world hire, we're gonna have to agree to disagree. Both USC and texa$$ (better jobs than DoNU) went way down their lists to get guys to fill those jobs, so I can't imagine that Nebraska would have pulled a better candidate that those two. Personally, I think that Strong will do ok at texa$$, but I can't imagine Sark being a great hire at USC.
USC wanted a guy from the Carroll era, they got it. Texas wanted a hot commodity and a dynamic, authoritative figure, they got it.

 
USC wanted a guy from the Carroll era, they got it. Texas wanted a hot commodity and a dynamic, authoritative figure, they got it.
Wow, just wow.

Is there a river in Africa named "DeLusion?" Oh wait, that's "DeNile."

Yeah, you and Carl are right, I'm sure a quick phone call to Gruden or Saban would seal the deal, and either would drop what they're doing to come to the Mecca of college football......Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Meanwhile, history simply shows us that the last time we fired a 70% winner for a coach, we ended up with about the 9th choice on the list who just happened to be a guy that was never fit to be a head coach at any level.

Heck, Mack Brown is available now, I'm sure he'd be interested.

 
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USC wanted a guy from the Carroll era, they got it. Texas wanted a hot commodity and a dynamic, authoritative figure, they got it.
Wow, just wow.

Is there a river in Africa named "DeLusion?" Oh wait, that's "DeNile."

Yeah, you and Carl are right, I'm sure a quick phone call to Gruden or Saban would seal the deal, and either would drop what they're doing to come to the Mecca of college football......Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Meanwhile, history simply shows us that the last time we fired a 70% winner for a coach, we ended up with about the 9th choice on the list who just happened to be a guy that was never fit to be a head coach at any level.

Heck, Mack Brown is available now, I'm sure he'd be interested.
Is hyperbole more fun than actually disputing what I said about USC and Texas with facts?

It's also possible that a "non-name" coach could perform better than Bo too.

But go right ahead, fall back to the Solich/Pedersen/Callahan talking point. It's totally relevant now ten years after the fact.

 
What happened 10 years ago is absolutely relevant.....more relevant than discussing who may or may not be a better coach at Nebraska. There's not an opening for head football coach at Nebraska. And Pelini's "defiance" post Iowa was directed toward the media outlet who asked him the direct question about getting fired.....not to mention that was so last November.

 
What happened 10 years ago is absolutely relevant.....more relevant than discussing who may or may not be a better coach at Nebraska. There's not an opening for head football coach at Nebraska. And Pelini's "defiance" post Iowa was directed toward the media outlet who asked him the direct question about getting fired.....not to mention that was so last November.
Dismissing last November and basing the crux of the argument to keep a coach on events from a decade ago. Awesome.

 
The reason why I don't need to comment is that you're proving my point.
Not at all, unless your point is that winning 70% of your games = failure.

Is hyperbole more fun than actually disputing what I said about USC and Texas with facts?
Other than all of the numerous reports of coaches that turned down both of those jobs? Saban and Gruden were two names being thrown around at that time. You can go back and take a look at some of the reports that were leaked at it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that the guys that were hired were not their # 1 candidates.

I listen to at least 8 hours per day of sport talk, so the reports coming out at that time were numerous. You can do all the research on it you want, but I'm sure that little things like that won't much matter. The only hyperbole is that there were better coaches that would come to Nebraska to coach. There is nothing factual (other than the guy that put OSU on probation) for better coaches having interest in Nebraska. If there was I'd love to see that info and I'll retract my statement. I'm sure that since Jimmy Johnson was not coaching, he was probably looking at coming here too? Probably Bill Cowher, also.

It's also possible that a "non-name" coach could perform better than Bo too.
Certainly. Is it possible that they would perform worse?

Who would a realistic "non-name" coach be that would come here and outperform Bo? Honest question.

But go right ahead, fall back to the Solich/Pedersen/Callahan talking point. It's totally relevant now ten years after the fact.
It would be irrelevant if that debacle plus the current state of affairs didn't make the Nebraska job LESS of destination job than it was even back then. Just because you and the other #9 win'ers don't want to take the word of some guys with some knowledge of the situation, doesn't mean that it's not true.

All I know is that if I'm going to base an opinion on something and the information provided to me was from 1) A previous botched coaching search, a sports writer who has more access to the program than any other writer in the nation (most likely), and a former National Championship player who has access to the program who is a current coach and who talks to other coaches around the country or 2) a few entitled internet posters who THINK they know the a whole lot about college football, I'll pick choice #1 any time. I would like to think that any reasonably intelligent person would chose the same.

I realize that the #9win'ers don't want to listen to what Damon and Sip said because it doesn't fit their convoluted, uniformed opinions and it blows their weaksauce narrative out of the water, but it is what it is.

 
I think Eichorst opting to only give Bo his minimum raise with no contract extension is telling. He's far, far, far more in the know than Sipple and Benning ever will be. Their opinion on potential coaching candidates isn't going save Bo's job. Nor do I have any reason to believe they have the same people (or person) in mind as the actual athletic director.

Bringing home some hardware would save his job, but I think most of us realize that's probably not going to happen. Although, I think most would agree it would be the ideal scenario for the program.

If the ideal scenario doesn't come to fruition, it's best to keep your options open, regardless of naysayers like Sipple and Benning.

 
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If there were a better candidate than Pelini for the job, Pelini would not currently be our head coach. There are many posts about financial resources not being an obstacle at Nebraska. If Pelini's boss wanted him gone, he'd be gone.

 
Agreed, I don't think he wants Bo gone, he wants Bo to succeed. I think that window is rapidly closing, however.

Winning 70% of your games with no hardware isn't exactly "failure", it isn't exactly success either.

 
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The obvious difference, of course, is that everyone was saying Nebraska was nuts when Solich got axed in 03. I watched the commentary after Bo's defiant, stupid child act after Iowa, and nearly all expected Bo to not make the weekend.

Kind of an important point.
I'll concede that. But if you think that getting rid of a guy that just went 8-4 would be a slam dunk, out of this world hire, we're gonna have to agree to disagree. Both USC and texa$$ (better jobs than DoNU) went way down their lists to get guys to fill those jobs, so I can't imagine that Nebraska would have pulled a better candidate that those two. Personally, I think that Strong will do ok at texa$$, but I can't imagine Sark being a great hire at USC.
Doesn't have to be better than them. It just has to be better than the current person. 74, as a person without a dog in this fight I have to tell you. You really are struggling here.

You aren't going to change their minds, they aren't going to change yours. At this point, unless somebody has some new evidence to use to back up their side of this then I say we put it on the back burner until some actual football games are played. Those Saturdays in the fall are what are going to show program trajectory.

Here's to one fan hoping the Huskers win the damn B1G and I don't have to think about or listen to this for a year.
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