The Tangent Thread

[NUpolo8]

I've been ignoring him for about 2 yrs.

But when entire threads are hijacked its impossible. He gets off course, not necessarily on the subject, but just with the constant negative, combative, argumentative, and tunneling approach.

A clear, concise, pointed difference of opinion is what initially drew me to this board. But his is a different animal. I actually pity him and the energy he expends, and by proxy sucks, from the rest of us.

It's not personal, it's just exhausting. so, I'm out.

I assure you, I don't need your pity.

 

[zoogs]

It is a little odd to suggest that Moglia would make a better head coach at Nebraska than the guy he learned from. It's an argument you could make, but it would be a stretch.... Moglia would have to truly be a revelation and that'd be a gaudy claim. Plus, he's 65 -- I think the ship has sailed and whatever trail he's blazing in football, it will be at Coastal Carolina. Sounds like it's a pretty good one, too.

It would be absurd if a thread congratulating a kinda-former-Husker on his current success has to turn into another exposé on the flaws and virtues of Bo's NU tenure. Plenty, plenty of space to discuss that. Let's please not take another unrelated thread in that direction.

 

[RedRedJarvisRedwine]

 

[NUpolo8]

It is a little odd to suggest that Moglia would make a better head coach at Nebraska than the guy he learned from. It's an argument you could make, but it would be a stretch.... Moglia would have to truly be a revelation and that'd be a gaudy claim. Plus, he's 65 -- I think the ship has sailed and whatever trail he's blazing in football, it will be at Coastal Carolina. Sounds like it's a pretty good one, too.

It would be absurd if a thread congratulating a kinda-former-Husker on his current success has to turn into another exposé on the flaws and virtues of Bo's NU tenure. Plenty, plenty of space to discuss that. Let's please not take another unrelated thread in that direction.

It wasn't my attempt to make it that. My original point (before someone decided to derail a thread to complain about me derailing threads. And probably celebrating irony) is that I think Moglia provided an incredible set of skills to the Pelini staff. The guy is a winner, and has some pretty bold ideas. Whatever he learned from the staff in X's and O's and the ins and outs of a major college program, I'm sure he gave back in spades with management skills. And, in my opinion, some of the things I've seen since he left suggest to me that there is some input that he gave that is missing now.

As for him coaching Nebraska? Obviously it will probably never happen. But I think we are to the point now where its proven that he can succeed in this line of work. And I would not be opposed at all to a situation where he is the head coach for a few years with a hotshot coach in waiting under him. And for every Will Muschamp at Texas situation, there's a Jimbo Fisher situation as a counter.

I think it'd be interesting.

 

[Landlord]

So Bo Pelini is prone to micromanaging,

and Joe Moglia, who records every single rep, customized approaches for every single player based on personalized aptitude tests, charts every single play from every single practice, and has a personal hand in moving things around so his players can get water faster, somehow helped Bo in that regard.

 

[NUpolo8]

So Bo Pelini is prone to micromanaging,

and Joe Moglia, who records every single rep, customized approaches for every single player based on personalized aptitude tests, charts every single play from every single practice, and has a personal hand in moving things around so his players can get water faster, somehow helped Bo in that regard.

I think you may be struggling with what micromanaging is.

 

[Landlord]

Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary defines[3] micromanagement as "manage[ment] especially with excessive control or attention on details". Dictionary.com defines micromanagement as "manage[ment] or control with excessive attention to minor details".[4] The online dictionary Encarta defined micromanagement as "atten[tion] to small details in management: control [of] a person or a situation by paying extreme attention to small details".[5]

I'd say the head coach paying enough attention to think that his players could shave a few seconds getting access to water would qualify per the definition.

 

[zoogs]

And, in my opinion, some of the things I've seen since he left suggest to me that there is some input that he gave that is missing now.

That's interesting. You know, when Moglia was here the impression I had was that Bo was doing something nice for a football nut billionaire who really wanted to be around a program. His role certainly wasn't clearly defined, and this is the first time I've heard that he was working 80-hour weeks in that 'special assistant' capacity.

So I'm curious to those who seem to have more insight on Moglia and his role and connection to the program, how involved was he? What are some things he had a hand in while he was here? Where can we see some of his influence rubbing off, and so on?

 

[Landlord]

So I'm curious to those who seem to have more insight on Moglia and his role and connection to the program, how involved was he? What are some things he had a hand in while he was here? Where can we see some of his influence rubbing off, and so on?

You can't, unless you know some coaches or players personally. Anything else is just guess work, selective data points and confirmation bias.

 

[NUpolo8]

And, in my opinion, some of the things I've seen since he left suggest to me that there is some input that he gave that is missing now.

That's interesting. You know, when Moglia was here the impression I had was that Bo was doing something nice for a football nut billionaire who really wanted to be around a program. His role certainly wasn't clearly defined, and this is the first time I've heard that he was working 80-hour weeks in that 'special assistant' capacity.

So I'm curious to those who seem to have more insight on Moglia and his role and connection to the program, how involved was he? What are some things he had a hand in while he was here? Where can we see some of his influence rubbing off, and so on?

Actually, I thought the same thing you thought, that we were being nice to rich guy. But I truly think he had some great impacts on the program.

I always liked this article. It sounded like he had his hand in most everything. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jon_wertheim/09/28/nebraska.asst/

 

[NUpolo8]

Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary defines[3] micromanagement as "manage[ment] especially with excessive control or attention on details". Dictionary.com defines micromanagement as "manage[ment] or control with excessive attention to minor details".[4] The online dictionary Encarta defined micromanagement as "atten[tion] to small details in management: control [of] a person or a situation by paying extreme attention to small details".[5]

I'd say the head coach paying enough attention to think that his players could shave a few seconds getting access to water would qualify per the definition.

Well there's also this....

"The notion of micromanagement can be extended to any social context where one person takes a bully approach, in the level of control and influence over the members of a group. Often, this excessive obsession with the most minute of details causes a direct management failure in the ability to focus on the major details.[1]"

What you described I take as this. Moglia is trying to streamline his machine so it runs as effeciently as possible. On all levels. And Moglia's micromanaging, at least on its surface, isn't showing systemic shortcomings like the punt return team, for example.

I dunno maybe I'm saying a Moglia type has a better chance of being a CEO type head coach than Bo.

 

[Landlord]

Well probably, since he's been an actual CEO

I always liked Moglia and thought it was an awesome and refreshing story. Wish we could have found a way to get him a real job on staff, and definitely wouldn't disagree with the idea that he was a huge benefit to our program. In what ways I have no idea, nor do I know if we regressed in those particular areas.

Some of the stuff he's doing seems really interesting and some seems pretty wacky and I'll be interested to see how it plays out. Two years at an FCS school does not a great head coach make.

 

[kchusker_chris]

And, in my opinion, some of the things I've seen since he left suggest to me that there is some input that he gave that is missing now.

That's interesting. You know, when Moglia was here the impression I had was that Bo was doing something nice for a football nut billionaire who really wanted to be around a program. His role certainly wasn't clearly defined, and this is the first time I've heard that he was working 80-hour weeks in that 'special assistant' capacity.

So I'm curious to those who seem to have more insight on Moglia and his role and connection to the program, how involved was he? What are some things he had a hand in while he was here? Where can we see some of his influence rubbing off, and so on?

The 80 hour thing is brought up in nearly every article regarding Moglia. And to say the only thing he knows about football was learned during his 2 years w/ Bo is way off base. He'd written a book on offensive strategy almost 30 years before he got to Nebraska.

 

[NUpolo8]

I keep coming back to this quote.....

"People act like playing football is putting a man on the moon," he said. "There's sophistication to football, but it's not curing cancer. It's, frankly, having the balls to think outside the box to do something."

And then I think about how we are told in press conferences about how we wouldn't understand all the technical stuff.

 

[Count 'Bility]

I keep coming back to this quote.....

"People act like playing football is putting a man on the moon," he said. "There's sophistication to football, but it's not curing cancer. It's, frankly, having the balls to think outside the box to do something."

And then I think about how we are told in press conferences about how we wouldn't understand all the technical stuff.

You wanna link us a quote?...........