You are a bad fan

[GM_Tood]

When Knaapp turned his TV off Saturday night he was being a fair weather fan.

I disagree with this definition of a fan. I have the choice to invest my time and money in a team that plays like that or not, at my pleasure. That doesn't make me a good or bad fan, that makes me a wise consumer.

I am a fan of a couple of chefs in this area, and I travel some distance to their restaurants to eat dinner. Fan though I am, I would not accept a meal prepared so horribly that I could not stomach it. I would send it back, or if egregious enough I may leave the restaurant without paying for the meal. This is perfectly acceptable behavior. It doesn't matter if I'm a huge fan of the chef who prepared the meal. I do not have to accept everything he makes, especially if it isn't palatable.

Further, like thousands of people, I didn't stop paying attention to the game. I followed along on Twitter, keeping up with what happened via text rather than watching. I still followed the game, just in a different format.

I have done this dozens of times, either by choice or by need. I followed most of the Penn State Volleyball match on Twitter because I wasn't in front of a TV at the time. That doesn't make me a fair weather fan, it means I used the means available to me to keep track of action.

I went to the parking lot at halftime of the 2011 Ohio State game, then went back in and watched the second half. I saw that comeback in person, I contributed to the noise at the stadium when tons of people left. Does that make me a better fan than them? Nope. They just have different tolerances.

The whole focus of this conversation is erroneous. People are spending more time expressing their displeasure with the fans who watched the game - in whatever format they chose - and less time discussing the game itself. It is, apparently, easier to focus angst at other fans than at the team or coaches.

I wonder how that restaurant would fare after continually having the chef prepare sub standard dishes. Would the owners care?...would it take empty seats tables to get their attention. How many times would the die hard customers go back before saying f* it...you guys.

 

[NUpolo8]

I could care less if a fan wants to leave the game early or turn the channel because they are done with it. Last night, who could blame them? I chose not to turn the TV off. I did stand outside on the final drive because, well it worked against Ohio State in 2011, thought maybe I could conjure up some karma magic by sitting outside on a cooler. Did not pan out.

The fans that left early in 2010 when Texas embarrassed us weren't in the wrong. It was a poor showing by the team and frustrating for attendants. I was among them. We missed a TD but inevitably the game was still a loss. Fans that left early in 2013 during the NW game missed a miraculous hail mary win. Must hurt to know they could have stayed for the celebration.

Bottom Line: Leaving early or turning the channel doesn't make anybody less of a fan. It just means their tolerance for disappointment differs from those who choose to endure painful games til the end be it in person or on TV/Radio. It's okay either way really. Doesn't effect the outcome of the game one way or another. But honestly if your going to be done with the game the last thing you should want to do is go on the message board and tell everyone how your done knowing full well it's going to start a big "I'm a better fan" debate. We are all fans, except Polo who hates everything good and only listens to Creed.

so, bo was wrong to call them f'ing fair-weather fans?

When I left during the 2010 Texas game I was absolutely being a fair weather fan. When Knaapp turned his TV off Saturday night he was being a fair weather fan. Bo was not wrong because even a fair weather fan still classifies as a fan.The MSU loss boils down to one thing. We could have won. Thats why everyones so pissy. Its not like we got blown out. We could have won and been 6-0. Everybody should celebrate the fact we are probably in a position for our best finish in ages rather than dwell and b!^@h about this f'ing loss. We held tight with a top 10 team on the road and could have won. Win out and we probs get a second shot at em. Go Big Red.

For the record this game was close in score only.

Michigan St dominated Nebraska in all aspects of the game for three quarters and some change in the fourth. Leaving the starters in and having some pretty lucky breaks got the game close while MSU was slowly letting off the gas.

That was a trick used by another former NU coach that'll go name-less here (can we seriously lift the ban on that word?).

To call out the ones who are tired of the song being played over and over for seven years is dumb. Especially here. People who dedicate time to comment on no message board are probably devoted fans.

Some so devoted that they know what's coming. This isn't even the first time Nebraska is 5-1 with people saying "can't quit now, everything's in front of us to go 12-1 and avenge everything!". It's happened I believe twice in the past four years. Maybe three times.

But that's false. Nothing is in line for that to happen until this coaching staff and this team fixes what's broken. And it ain't fixed yet. I'm not even sure they want to fix it. One loss teams don't have a completely lost OL, that can pancake themselves. They don't wilt under the lights. They beat a ranked team in the regular season. They have depth (especially seven years into a tenure, holy crap you guys the bad recruiting is so obvious here, it's as obvious as Zach sterup plodding towards a missed block).

And they're man enough at the coaching level to admit mistakes and look outside the box. That's never coming from this staff. I'm convinced of that now.

Say Tim Beck gets fired or takes the KU job. What past history points to even a remote possibility Bo Pelini goes beyond the offices next to him to fill the of job? Watson begat Beck. Carl (who by the way, should have never been hired. How Bo hired his brother, while knowing full well what his social peccadillos are is a show cause termination waiting to happen) begat Papuchis. Lackeys, buddies, underlings. No one to pose a threat at the snarling dictator.

And these melded into my reasons why I'm down on Nebraska football, others are different. And they all spell into reasons why some don't watch every down of every game.

It doesn't make anyone a bad fan. It doesn't make me a bad fan that I got married in 04 the same day as the OU game and I didn't have a care in the world about because I was marrying my wife, and my entire wedding party of NU alums didn't care because it was a party and was going to be more fun than watching OU slam us. It doesn't make me a bad fan that I missed the NW game last year because I was in remote Nevada on a deer hunt. And it's not going to make me a bad fan when I leave for a business trip literally on the other end of the world in ten days and if I catch part of the Rutgers and Purdue game, hey great. It's life man, and it's pretty dumb to hold someone's fandom in question of that.

Now I will tell you I'd be more upset with missing these games in a few weeks and the ones last year if I thought there was something special happening with the team. I don't. And I don't think a miracle Hail Mary to beat a team that missed a bowl is special.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Tl/dr version, stop getting on your high horse because you're content to watch a game you've already seen with different players and others aren't.

 

[Minnesota_husker]

Dont get defensive because you quit on this years team and are now coming back with your tail between your legs.

Its cool.. Obviously quitting on your team is the norm around here, so I am sure you will fit in just fine

Quit/come back/ quit/ come back...

Which one am I?

Plus i highly doubt i look that good in a cowboy hat.

 

[Count 'Bility]

I could care less if a fan wants to leave the game early or turn the channel because they are done with it. Last night, who could blame them? I chose not to turn the TV off. I did stand outside on the final drive because, well it worked against Ohio State in 2011, thought maybe I could conjure up some karma magic by sitting outside on a cooler. Did not pan out.

The fans that left early in 2010 when Texas embarrassed us weren't in the wrong. It was a poor showing by the team and frustrating for attendants. I was among them. We missed a TD but inevitably the game was still a loss. Fans that left early in 2013 during the NW game missed a miraculous hail mary win. Must hurt to know they could have stayed for the celebration.

Bottom Line: Leaving early or turning the channel doesn't make anybody less of a fan. It just means their tolerance for disappointment differs from those who choose to endure painful games til the end be it in person or on TV/Radio. It's okay either way really. Doesn't effect the outcome of the game one way or another. But honestly if your going to be done with the game the last thing you should want to do is go on the message board and tell everyone how your done knowing full well it's going to start a big "I'm a better fan" debate. We are all fans, except Polo who hates everything good and only listens to Creed.

so, bo was wrong to call them f'ing fair-weather fans?

When I left during the 2010 Texas game I was absolutely being a fair weather fan. When Knaapp turned his TV off Saturday night he was being a fair weather fan. Bo was not wrong because even a fair weather fan still classifies as a fan.The MSU loss boils down to one thing. We could have won. Thats why everyones so pissy. Its not like we got blown out. We could have won and been 6-0. Everybody should celebrate the fact we are probably in a position for our best finish in ages rather than dwell and b!^@h about this f'ing loss. We held tight with a top 10 team on the road and could have won. Win out and we probs get a second shot at em. Go Big Red.

For the record this game was close in score only.

Michigan St dominated Nebraska in all aspects of the game for three quarters and some change in the fourth. Leaving the starters in and having some pretty lucky breaks got the game close while MSU was slowly letting off the gas.

That was a trick used by another former NU coach that'll go name-less here (can we seriously lift the ban on that word?).

To call out the ones who are tired of the song being played over and over for seven years is dumb. Especially here. People who dedicate time to comment on no message board are probably devoted fans.

Some so devoted that they know what's coming. This isn't even the first time Nebraska is 5-1 with people saying "can't quit now, everything's in front of us to go 12-1 and avenge everything!". It's happened I believe twice in the past four years. Maybe three times.

But that's false. Nothing is in line for that to happen until this coaching staff and this team fixes what's broken. And it ain't fixed yet. I'm not even sure they want to fix it. One loss teams don't have a completely lost OL, that can pancake themselves. They don't wilt under the lights. They beat a ranked team in the regular season. They have depth (especially seven years into a tenure, holy crap you guys the bad recruiting is so obvious here, it's as obvious as Zach sterup plodding towards a missed block).

And they're man enough at the coaching level to admit mistakes and look outside the box. That's never coming from this staff. I'm convinced of that now.

Say Tim Beck gets fired or takes the KU job. What past history points to even a remote possibility Bo Pelini goes beyond the offices next to him to fill the of job? Watson begat Beck. Carl (who by the way, should have never been hired. How Bo hired his brother, while knowing full well what his social peccadillos are is a show cause termination waiting to happen) begat Papuchis. Lackeys, buddies, underlings. No one to pose a threat at the snarling dictator.

And these melded into my reasons why I'm down on Nebraska football, others are different. And they all spell into reasons why some don't watch every down of every game.

It doesn't make anyone a bad fan. It doesn't make me a bad fan that I got married in 04 the same day as the OU game and I didn't have a care in the world about because I was marrying my wife, and my entire wedding party of NU alums didn't care because it was a party and was going to be more fun than watching OU slam us. It doesn't make me a bad fan that I missed the NW game last year because I was in remote Nevada on a deer hunt. And it's not going to make me a bad fan when I leave for a business trip literally on the other end of the world in ten days and if I catch part of the Rutgers and Purdue game, hey great. It's life man, and it's pretty dumb to hold someone's fandom in question of that.

Now I will tell you I'd be more upset with missing these games in a few weeks and the ones last year if I thought there was something special happening with the team. I don't. And I don't think a miracle Hail Mary to beat a team that missed a bowl is special.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Tl/dr version, stop getting on your high horse because you're content to watch a game you've already seen with different players and others aren't.

I disagree. Youre a bad fan.

 

[QMany]

For the record this game was close in score only.

 

[Ratt Mhule]

For the record this game was close in score only.

Well, hes not wrong...my god I just stood up for Polo. Hell has just frozen over.

 

[NUpolo8]

I could care less if a fan wants to leave the game early or turn the channel because they are done with it. Last night, who could blame them? I chose not to turn the TV off. I did stand outside on the final drive because, well it worked against Ohio State in 2011, thought maybe I could conjure up some karma magic by sitting outside on a cooler. Did not pan out.

The fans that left early in 2010 when Texas embarrassed us weren't in the wrong. It was a poor showing by the team and frustrating for attendants. I was among them. We missed a TD but inevitably the game was still a loss. Fans that left early in 2013 during the NW game missed a miraculous hail mary win. Must hurt to know they could have stayed for the celebration.

Bottom Line: Leaving early or turning the channel doesn't make anybody less of a fan. It just means their tolerance for disappointment differs from those who choose to endure painful games til the end be it in person or on TV/Radio. It's okay either way really. Doesn't effect the outcome of the game one way or another. But honestly if your going to be done with the game the last thing you should want to do is go on the message board and tell everyone how your done knowing full well it's going to start a big "I'm a better fan" debate. We are all fans, except Polo who hates everything good and only listens to Creed.

so, bo was wrong to call them f'ing fair-weather fans?

When I left during the 2010 Texas game I was absolutely being a fair weather fan. When Knaapp turned his TV off Saturday night he was being a fair weather fan. Bo was not wrong because even a fair weather fan still classifies as a fan.The MSU loss boils down to one thing. We could have won. Thats why everyones so pissy. Its not like we got blown out. We could have won and been 6-0. Everybody should celebrate the fact we are probably in a position for our best finish in ages rather than dwell and b!^@h about this f'ing loss. We held tight with a top 10 team on the road and could have won. Win out and we probs get a second shot at em. Go Big Red.

For the record this game was close in score only.

Michigan St dominated Nebraska in all aspects of the game for three quarters and some change in the fourth. Leaving the starters in and having some pretty lucky breaks got the game close while MSU was slowly letting off the gas.

That was a trick used by another former NU coach that'll go name-less here (can we seriously lift the ban on that word?).

To call out the ones who are tired of the song being played over and over for seven years is dumb. Especially here. People who dedicate time to comment on no message board are probably devoted fans.

Some so devoted that they know what's coming. This isn't even the first time Nebraska is 5-1 with people saying "can't quit now, everything's in front of us to go 12-1 and avenge everything!". It's happened I believe twice in the past four years. Maybe three times.

But that's false. Nothing is in line for that to happen until this coaching staff and this team fixes what's broken. And it ain't fixed yet. I'm not even sure they want to fix it. One loss teams don't have a completely lost OL, that can pancake themselves. They don't wilt under the lights. They beat a ranked team in the regular season. They have depth (especially seven years into a tenure, holy crap you guys the bad recruiting is so obvious here, it's as obvious as Zach sterup plodding towards a missed block).

And they're man enough at the coaching level to admit mistakes and look outside the box. That's never coming from this staff. I'm convinced of that now.

Say Tim Beck gets fired or takes the KU job. What past history points to even a remote possibility Bo Pelini goes beyond the offices next to him to fill the of job? Watson begat Beck. Carl (who by the way, should have never been hired. How Bo hired his brother, while knowing full well what his social peccadillos are is a show cause termination waiting to happen) begat Papuchis. Lackeys, buddies, underlings. No one to pose a threat at the snarling dictator.

And these melded into my reasons why I'm down on Nebraska football, others are different. And they all spell into reasons why some don't watch every down of every game.

It doesn't make anyone a bad fan. It doesn't make me a bad fan that I got married in 04 the same day as the OU game and I didn't have a care in the world about because I was marrying my wife, and my entire wedding party of NU alums didn't care because it was a party and was going to be more fun than watching OU slam us. It doesn't make me a bad fan that I missed the NW game last year because I was in remote Nevada on a deer hunt. And it's not going to make me a bad fan when I leave for a business trip literally on the other end of the world in ten days and if I catch part of the Rutgers and Purdue game, hey great. It's life man, and it's pretty dumb to hold someone's fandom in question of that.

Now I will tell you I'd be more upset with missing these games in a few weeks and the ones last year if I thought there was something special happening with the team. I don't. And I don't think a miracle Hail Mary to beat a team that missed a bowl is special.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Tl/dr version, stop getting on your high horse because you're content to watch a game you've already seen with different players and others aren't.

I disagree. Youre a bad fan.

I've also had the epiphany from recent interactions with you that your opinion of me and 2 dollars gets me a grande Pikes roast at Starbucks. So there's that.

 

[Count 'Bility]

I've also had the epiphany from recent interactions with you that your opinion of me and 2 dollars gets me a grande Pikes roast at Starbucks. So there's that.

Well you better take advantage of it. Pikes roast is the sh#t.

 

[Minnesota_husker]

When Knaapp turned his TV off Saturday night he was being a fair weather fan.

I disagree with this definition of a fan. I have the choice to invest my time and money in a team that plays like that or not, at my pleasure. That doesn't make me a good or bad fan, that makes me a wise consumer.

I am a fan of a couple of chefs in this area, and I travel some distance to their restaurants to eat dinner. Fan though I am, I would not accept a meal prepared so horribly that I could not stomach it. I would send it back, or if egregious enough I may leave the restaurant without paying for the meal. This is perfectly acceptable behavior. It doesn't matter if I'm a huge fan of the chef who prepared the meal. I do not have to accept everything he makes, especially if it isn't palatable.

Further, like thousands of people, I didn't stop paying attention to the game. I followed along on Twitter, keeping up with what happened via text rather than watching. I still followed the game, just in a different format.

I have done this dozens of times, either by choice or by need. I followed most of the Penn State Volleyball match on Twitter because I wasn't in front of a TV at the time. That doesn't make me a fair weather fan, it means I used the means available to me to keep track of action.

I went to the parking lot at halftime of the 2011 Ohio State game, then went back in and watched the second half. I saw that comeback in person, I contributed to the noise at the stadium when tons of people left. Does that make me a better fan than them? Nope. They just have different tolerances.

The whole focus of this conversation is erroneous. People are spending more time expressing their displeasure with the fans who watched the game - in whatever format they chose - and less time discussing the game itself. It is, apparently, easier to focus angst at other fans than at the team or coaches.

I think the only one that called you a bad fan was you when you created this thread and moved everything over here. I was more surprised that you would just turn off the TV and walk away.. I probably wouldnt have reacted to many other people but because it was you and I have always considered you pretty analytic, I was surprised.

Now you are right.. frustrated with the constant losing and how they do it can force anyone to throw there hands up and walk away... but i think this is a little different than going to a restaurant and complaining about your steak. You shutting off your TV doesnt directly affect the Husker program... Now if you decide to stop turning your TV on and stop supporting the team in general, that could make a change if enough people follow... IE the sellout streak goes away.

Turning your TV off one time doesnt really affect anything, nor does it affect change. Things happen. Obviously we were all frustrated. You showed your frustration by turning your TV off. I showed mine by deciding to spend all my energy on something as you state in your last sentence "Doesnt really matter".

It becomes one big pissing match. You are right. Our energy should 100% be spent towards figuring out why we lost the game and not on how we all react.

I still think it feels a little "fair-weather" to just turn off the TV when the going gets tough.. but that is my opinion... Clearly I am not the norm around here.

Now the other person whose thread got moved in here "Mwj98" flat out said he gave up/quit on this team until next year... He is vastly different than Knapp in my mind.

I get being frustrated and trying to hopefully show the administration we want a change, but it felt more like he just decided to go be a fan for another team because it was too hard to be a Husker fan.

It is all useless and this thread has clearly gotten us no-where.

 

[NUance]

For the record this game was close in score only.

Well, hes not wrong...my god I just stood up for Polo. Hell has just frozen over.

___________NU v. Sparty

First downs____20 to 17

Total Offense _329 to 422

3rd down conv 3/15 to 4/16

Up through the bottom half of the 4th quarter the stats were closer than the score reflected. Sure they had more total yardage, thanks mostly to several long pass plays and a couple nice runs. But we actually beat them in first downs.

/ edit: The stats above are for the whole game. I'm just saying the score didn't catch up to the stats until late in the fourth quarter.

 

[NUpolo8]

For the record this game was close in score only.

Ok, that's the truth, and the quicker you realize things like that it will pay off for you.

Unless you were the type of guy who was "ok" with the USC loss in 07 because it was only an 18 point loss and Callahan's boys scored 21 in the fourth. "They didn't quit for their coach! That shows!"

To me, that's just as ridiculous as what's happening here.

 

[QMany]

For the record this game was close in score only.

Well, hes not wrong...my god I just stood up for Polo. Hell has just frozen over.

What do we mean by "close?" I think the game was pretty damn close. You know, like driving to win the game, have two hands on the ball and it pops out kind of close. Do I think we played them close the whole game? Hell no, but it wasn't like we were out of it and put up a few garbage points late to make it look better than it really was. We had a legitimate "close" chance to win that game. If you are saying we got outplayed a majority of the game, particularly on offense, I agree.

 

[NUpolo8]

For the record this game was close in score only.

Well, hes not wrong...my god I just stood up for Polo. Hell has just frozen over.

___________NU v. Sparty

First downs____20 to 17

Total Offense _329 to 422

3rd down conv 3/15 to 4/16

Up through the bottom half of the 4th quarter the stats were closer than the score reflected. Sure they had more total yardage, thanks mostly to several long pass plays and a couple nice runs. But we actually beat them in first downs.

/ edit: The stats above are for the whole game. I'm just saying the score didn't catch up to the stats until late in the fourth quarter.

So we've moved from "if we don't fumble five times we win" to "if we had those long run and pass plays that Sparty had we win".

I mean, I'm baffled at this point.

 

[Minnesota_husker]

For the record this game was close in score only.

Well, hes not wrong...my god I just stood up for Polo. Hell has just frozen over.

What do we mean by "close?" I think the game was pretty damn close. You know, like driving to win the game, have two hands on the ball and it pops out kind of close. Do I think we played them close the whole game? Hell no, but it wasn't like we were out of it and put up a few garbage points late to make it look better than it really was. We had a legitimate "close" chance to win that game. If you are saying we got outplayed a majority of the game, particularly on offense, I agree.

the game is 60 minutes... We were close at the end.. just not close in the beginning... but since it really matters what happens in the end.. I have to agree the game was close.

We played a really poor 45 minutes. but in the end it was close.. therefore it was a "close game"

 

[QMany]

Ok, that's the truth

Unless you were the type of guy who was "ok" with the USC loss in 07 because it was only an 18 point loss and Callahan's boys scored 21 in the fourth. "They didn't quit for their coach! That shows!"

To me, that's just as ridiculous as what's happening here.

Are you really analogizing the two?