Banker = Cosgrove

[Saunders]

I completely disagree, it's not a value assessment at all, it's just a pure evaluation of crappy performances. These same players were the second worst team of all time 8 games ago. Now they are only the 18th worst team. There's no way you can't say that's improvement.

Yeah, that's not how it works. You also have to take into account the quality of the competition.

So what you're saying is you want to make a statistical argument, except for when you don't like the conclusions, at which point you want to bring in the subjectivity of quality of team into the argument?

As you pointed out, SDSU, Ball State, and Wyoming are the list, as well as LA Tech, and 5-loss Wisconsin team. Those teams don't seem very good either.

No, it's because I understand that looking at numbers in a vacuum is bad. Giving up 7 ypp against scrubs is much worse than giving up 7 Ypp against a national title contender is slightly different. I think you missed that point.

But you don't know yet that BYU and Miami won't be national title contenders. You can make that argument at the end of the season and I would buy in with you 100%, but we're only 4 games in.

Do I think they're going to be National Title Contenders? No. But I also didn't think Ohio State would be either last year after the VT loss.

Byu has 2 losses, got shut out 31-0 in their last game, and could easily be 0-4.

Miami has Al Golden.

I'm not saying you're going to be wrong come end of season, I'm just saying crazier things have happened in college football. Look at how we got into our last national championship game, for example. Or that Ohio State, with an early season loss and from a conference that common wisdom said was weak, ended up winning a National Championship.

We can't truly judge how good a team is 4 games in.

I hear ya!

 

[RADAR]

When a bunch of walkons are out preforming the guys on scholarship, that is a problem.

Why?

Because guys like Spencer Long shouldn't be playing football.... or something.

No, it just shows how poor the recruiting and roster management from 408 was. The last 5 years of recruiting and we have a converted TE that is our most productive player on the D-line. A fullback that did not carry the ball in the last 3 years and goes for over 100 all purpose yards, Freshman and walkons starting at LB. 408 left us with quite a mess.

 

[Saunders]

When a bunch of walkons are out preforming the guys on scholarship, that is a problem.

Why?

Because guys like Spencer Long shouldn't be playing football.... or something.

No, it just shows how poor the recruiting and roster management from 408 was. The last 5 years of recruiting and we have a converted TE that is our most productive player on the D-line. A fullback that did not carry the ball in the last 3 years and goes for over 100 all purpose yards, Freshman and walkons starting at LB. 408 left us with quite a mess.

Oh... ok....

/Backs away slowly

 

[RADAR]

Offenses have really come on in recent years. That's the danger of stats I guess, but the video game numbers that are commonplace these days...well, let's just say Cosgrove was a pioneer in the field

Except that most of the numbers put up on 408's defense were from the run, it kind of negates your point.

The numbers clearly show Cosgrove was a much better defensive coach than 408.

 

[RADAR]

So Bo is responsible for 7 of the 10 worst defensive performances ever, and Cosgrove is responsible for 1.

I guess we should just be thankful that Banker =/= Pelini at this point.

I count 4 for Cosgrove

2007 Oklahoma st

2007 Ball st

2007 Missouri

2007 Texas

And yet 408 dominates the top of the board, embarrassing for the defensive genius, no doubt the reason he only could get a job at a college the equivalent of Doane,

 

[Saunders]

Offenses have really come on in recent years. That's the danger of stats I guess, but the video game numbers that are commonplace these days...well, let's just say Cosgrove was a pioneer in the field

Except that most of the numbers put up on 408's defense were from the run, it kind of negates your point.

The numbers clearly show Cosgrove was a much better defensive coach than 408.

LOL.... No it doesn't.

Pelini's problem was that his scheme was so complex, that without elite talent, it suffered, and he didn't adapt. But the dude also coached one of the best defense we've ever had, without an offense to support it.

 

[Saunders]

FYI, typing "408" doesn't help your position. I put it in the same vein as "callaclown" or dumb names like that. It makes you look childish.

 

[RADAR]

So do we update this list now? 3 out of our 4 games this year would be on it...

BYU - 7.10 YPP

Miami - 6.81 YPP

S. Miss - 7.05 YPP

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/team/463/total/defense/gamelog.html

Good lord...already 3 games on that list?

This is a "worst 26" list. 2 of this years games would make it.

It looks like 3 make it...unless I am reading it wrong.

But far down the list. Did you really think it would get a lot better when 95% of the players are whom 408 recruited. It will take time to replace them with some talent. It took Michigan St. 5 years, I think Banker and Riley can do it in 3.

 

[Saunders]

But far down the list. Did you really think it would get a lot better when 95% of the players are whom 408 recruited. It will take time to replace them with some talent. It took Michigan St. 5 years, I think Banker and Riley can do it in 3.

Against worse teams....

And yes, if Pelini was the "worst DC of all time at Nebraska", then they should be getting vastly better results, simply by virtue of coaching.

 

[junior4949]

Offenses have really come on in recent years. That's the danger of stats I guess, but the video game numbers that are commonplace these days...well, let's just say Cosgrove was a pioneer in the field

Except that most of the numbers put up on 408's defense were from the run, it kind of negates your point.

The numbers clearly show Cosgrove was a much better defensive coach than 408.

LOL.... No it doesn't. The spread option running teams are putting up crazy numbers, and balanced teams like Baylor have had 300-300 games.

Pelini's problem was that his scheme was so complex, that without elite talent, it suffered, and he didn't adapt. But the dude also coached one of the best defense we've ever had, without an offense to support it.

I think people do tend to forget that Bo's defense is pretty good with great talent. This is why I'm still a little surprised he didn't pull a Muschamp and go to a SEC team as a defensive coordinator. As long as he gets to just run the defense and someone else recruits the talent for him, he could be very successful as a SEC defensive coordinator.

 

[RADAR]

Offenses have really come on in recent years. That's the danger of stats I guess, but the video game numbers that are commonplace these days...well, let's just say Cosgrove was a pioneer in the field

Except that most of the numbers put up on 408's defense were from the run, it kind of negates your point.

The numbers clearly show Cosgrove was a much better defensive coach than 408.

LOL.... No it doesn't.

Pelini's problem was that his scheme was so complex, that without elite talent, it suffered, and he didn't adapt. But the dude also coached one of the best defense we've ever had, without an offense to support it.

That would be mostly Callahan and Cosgrove players. If his scheme was to complex, that is on 408 to change it, he did not and it is just another reason he sucked as a defensive coach. Have faith, Banker will fix this mess in a couple of years.

 

[junior4949]

Bo didn't suck as a defensive coach. He sucked at recruiting players to run his scheme.

 

[RADAR]

But far down the list. Did you really think it would get a lot better when 95% of the players are whom 408 recruited. It will take time to replace them with some talent. It took Michigan St. 5 years, I think Banker and Riley can do it in 3.

Against worse teams....

And yes, if Pelini was the "worst DC of all time at Nebraska", then they should be getting vastly better results, simply by virtue of coaching.

Sorry, his recruiting and mismanagement of the roster will take a little time to fix.

 

[Saunders]

Offenses have really come on in recent years. That's the danger of stats I guess, but the video game numbers that are commonplace these days...well, let's just say Cosgrove was a pioneer in the field

Except that most of the numbers put up on 408's defense were from the run, it kind of negates your point.

The numbers clearly show Cosgrove was a much better defensive coach than 408.

LOL.... No it doesn't. The spread option running teams are putting up crazy numbers, and balanced teams like Baylor have had 300-300 games.

Pelini's problem was that his scheme was so complex, that without elite talent, it suffered, and he didn't adapt. But the dude also coached one of the best defense we've ever had, without an offense to support it.

I think people do tend to forget that Bo's defense is pretty good with great talent. This is why I'm still a little surprised he didn't pull a Muschamp and go to a SEC team as a defensive coordinator. As long as he gets to just run the defense and someone else recruits the talent for him, he could be very successful as a SEC defensive coordinator.

I think he was done with the spotlight for now (maybe forever?). Dude simply isn't cut out for high profile gigs.

 

[Saunders]

But far down the list. Did you really think it would get a lot better when 95% of the players are whom 408 recruited. It will take time to replace them with some talent. It took Michigan St. 5 years, I think Banker and Riley can do it in 3.

Against worse teams....

And yes, if Pelini was the "worst DC of all time at Nebraska", then they should be getting vastly better results, simply by virtue of coaching.

Sorry, his recruiting and mismanagement of the roster will take a little time to fix.

Disagree.