Expectations over the next 5 years

[Enhance]

There are some truths laced into this post here but, but Bo Pelini's firing was not only about egos. I believe the majority of Husker fans support Pelini's firing, not only for the plateau which seemed to have been reached, but also because of his very poor sideline behavior and behind the scenes attitude.

The graduation rates and relatively low off-the-field problems were commendable and appreciated by many, but you're ultimately judged on how you win and how you carry yourself. Husker fans are not "dumb" for wanting something else - they just disagree with you.

Lastly, we're always going to have threads like this. We had them during Bo's tenure and we probably would've had them in Solich's had this board existed back then. Expectation discussions are about as common here as tornadoes on the Oklahoma plains. They'll continue to happen until a coach finally wins a conference title here again or better.

Last I checked, it was Ickyhorst (by direction of Prickman) who fired Pelini, not the fans. The fans don't have a say in it, unless the overall majority speak loud enough, like at LSU. For once, the fans were the sane ones in that Prickman-like situation.

I didn't say all Husker fans were dumb. Just some of the more ignorant, or, win at all cost fans were. Those who scream the loudest have no understanding of NU football's unique situation. They seem to think a trained monkey can win nine games a year at NU. What does that say about Riley? Or caLLLLLlahan? Unless NU puts out the money, and even that isn't a guarantee, a Saban or Meyer will not coach at NU. Thus, as CM wisely stated, it will take the right guy to turn NU back into what Devaney and Osborne built. NU had that guy at least once, maybe twice, but egos threw them out.

Even if a coach wins the conference title, it won't stop the criticism of some fans. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to realize how badly Osborne would have been skewered on this site, and all the other NU forums, during his tenure. Especially in the '70's, and late '80s to early '90s.

Well, I didn't say the fans fired anyone. I just said fans are not dumb for having a different opinion than you, or, supporting a decision you disagree with. I for one supported Bo's release because of his sideline behavior, his behind the scenes attitude, some of the aspects of the culture he was creating and then his lack of success in the trophy case. "Egos" may have played a role, but you're treating it like that was the sole reason he got fired. There are several reasons people wanted to to see Bo gone and many of them had very little if nothing to do with ego.

As for Eichorst and Perlman, one of them is retiring and the other one's success hinges on Riley. So, regardless, either you'll be a happy little Husker fan if Riley succeeds or you'll be a happy little Husker fan when Riley fails and Eichorst is fired.

Looks like a win win for you.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Last I checked, it was Ickyhorst (by direction of Prickman) who fired Pelini, not the fans. The fans don't have a say in it, unless the overall majority speak loud enough, like at LSU. For once, the fans were the sane ones in that Prickman-like situation.

Conspiracy theories and cute insult names aside, it's highly unlikely that Eichorst and Perlman took any action without the prior knowledge and endorsement of key alums and donors, who are, of course, fans themselves.

When Bo's less-than-inspiring final speech to his team went public, it wasn't Eichorst who looked bad.

 

[RADAR]

In 2 years hire Scott Frost.

And bring in his "throw it all over the yard, PAC 12 basketball offense"???? This is freaking hilarious........ People here b!^@h about throwing it to much and you want the Frost offense????? Of course it is Frost, so he will do no wrong. LOL!!!!

I'm assuming that since Frost is actually familiar with our program, he would formulate an offense to be successful here. I'd bet that he would call plays to the strengths of his players, something that the current staff lied about doing.

You assume a lot, most of it wrong. Coaches run what they know! Frost is going to run his Oregon offense in Florida and should he come here in the distant future, he is not going to run an offense he has NEVER coached. He would bring an offense you claim to despise (Chuckle) Dream on Dream Weaver......

You mean his offense that is based on principles of Dr. Tom's?

I'll take that.

Now that is a stretch or a crap, how ever you want to frame it. Chip Kelly's offense based in the Osborne principle??? Ha! Ha! WOW!

Nebraska 2015: 439 passing plays - 434 running plays

Oregon 2015: 340 passing plays - 570 running plays

Frost has said repeatedly that he wants an offense with a more powerful running game in addition to the up tempo-quick strike passing game... and that's exactly the type of offense that he ran at Oregon this year and that Frost will run in Florida.

Unfortunately I'm going to have to join the chorus in saying that this person going by the name RADAR does not know what they are talking about... and appears to know nothing about football.

Hear! Hear!

And, I'll add, RADAR doesn't understand the unique situation of NU football, and what type of coach it takes to win consistently as during the Devaney and Osborne years.

Nebraska football is not unique and with good recruiting any system will succeed. The problem has been crappy recruiting by Solich and Bo. We suck because of lack of talent not scheme.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Frost has said repeatedly that he wants an offense with a more powerful running game in addition to the up tempo-quick strike passing game.

Every coach wants that.

Notice the difference in the NUMBER of running vs passing plays between the two teams ?

Yes. Oregon runs pretty much the same ratio as most successful college teams.

It's also the same ratio Tim Beck ran when he was accused of being too pass-happy here at Nebraska.

Every coach wants that. But wanting a more powerful running game isn't as simple as calling more power running plays. You need a power-running offensive line and a couple more Nebraska-worthy running backs. You can wear a defense down with a power running game, but only if your own defense is good enough to let the offense be patient. Ratios get a bit skewed when you have to come from behind in the fourth quarter.

Chip Kelly's Oregon teams ran the ball a lot more than some folks remember, maybe because they also passed the ball liberally and took tons of risks on daring plays they generally got away with. They ran the ball, but were anything but conservative.

I hope Nebraska runs the ball more often next year. We'll see.

 

[74Hunter]

In 2 years hire Scott Frost.

And bring in his "throw it all over the yard, PAC 12 basketball offense"???? This is freaking hilarious........ People here b!^@h about throwing it to much and you want the Frost offense????? Of course it is Frost, so he will do no wrong. LOL!!!!

I'm assuming that since Frost is actually familiar with our program, he would formulate an offense to be successful here. I'd bet that he would call plays to the strengths of his players, something that the current staff lied about doing.

You assume a lot, most of it wrong. Coaches run what they know! Frost is going to run his Oregon offense in Florida and should he come here in the distant future, he is not going to run an offense he has NEVER coached. He would bring an offense you claim to despise (Chuckle) Dream on Dream Weaver......

You mean his offense that is based on principles of Dr. Tom's?
I'll take that.

Now that is a stretch or a crap, how ever you want to frame it. Chip Kelly's offense based in the Osborne principle??? Ha! Ha! WOW!

Nebraska 2015: 439 passing plays - 434 running plays

Oregon 2015: 340 passing plays - 570 running plays

Frost has said repeatedly that he wants an offense with a more powerful running game in addition to the up tempo-quick strike passing game... and that's exactly the type of offense that he ran at Oregon this year and that Frost will run in Florida.

Unfortunately I'm going to have to join the chorus in saying that this person going by the name RADAR does not know what they are talking about... and appears to know nothing about football.

Let us not forget that many of the principles for the zone read scheme were derived from Dr. Tom's option principles.

 

[74Hunter]

In 2 years hire Scott Frost.

And bring in his "throw it all over the yard, PAC 12 basketball offense"???? This is freaking hilarious........ People here b!^@h about throwing it to much and you want the Frost offense????? Of course it is Frost, so he will do no wrong. LOL!!!!

I'm assuming that since Frost is actually familiar with our program, he would formulate an offense to be successful here. I'd bet that he would call plays to the strengths of his players, something that the current staff lied about doing.

You assume a lot, most of it wrong. Coaches run what they know! Frost is going to run his Oregon offense in Florida and should he come here in the distant future, he is not going to run an offense he has NEVER coached. He would bring an offense you claim to despise (Chuckle) Dream on Dream Weaver......

You mean his offense that is based on principles of Dr. Tom's?
I'll take that.

Now that is a stretch or a crap, how ever you want to frame it. Chip Kelly's offense based in the Osborne principle??? Ha! Ha! WOW!

Nebraska 2015: 439 passing plays - 434 running plays

Oregon 2015: 340 passing plays - 570 running plays

Frost has said repeatedly that he wants an offense with a more powerful running game in addition to the up tempo-quick strike passing game... and that's exactly the type of offense that he ran at Oregon this year and that Frost will run in Florida.

Unfortunately I'm going to have to join the chorus in saying that this person going by the name RADAR does not know what they are talking about... and appears to know nothing about football.

Hear! Hear!
And, I'll add, RADAR doesn't understand the unique situation of NU football, and what type of coach it takes to win consistently as during the Devaney and Osborne years.

Nebraska football is not unique and with good recruiting any system will succeed. The problem has been crappy recruiting by Solich and Bo. We suck because of lack of talent not scheme.

Actually, it is unique, all Husker fans know this.

And if the recruiting were that poor under those 2 coaches, they were the next coming of Lombardi and Rockne, respectively.

Let us not forget the fact that NU still had more talent than any team in the West this year.

 

[Husker Psycho]

In 2 years hire Scott Frost.

And bring in his "throw it all over the yard, PAC 12 basketball offense"???? This is freaking hilarious........ People here b!^@h about throwing it to much and you want the Frost offense????? Of course it is Frost, so he will do no wrong. LOL!!!!

I'm assuming that since Frost is actually familiar with our program, he would formulate an offense to be successful here. I'd bet that he would call plays to the strengths of his players, something that the current staff lied about doing.

You assume a lot, most of it wrong. Coaches run what they know! Frost is going to run his Oregon offense in Florida and should he come here in the distant future, he is not going to run an offense he has NEVER coached. He would bring an offense you claim to despise (Chuckle) Dream on Dream Weaver......

You mean his offense that is based on principles of Dr. Tom's?
I'll take that.

Now that is a stretch or a crap, how ever you want to frame it. Chip Kelly's offense based in the Osborne principle??? Ha! Ha! WOW!

Nebraska 2015: 439 passing plays - 434 running plays

Oregon 2015: 340 passing plays - 570 running plays

Frost has said repeatedly that he wants an offense with a more powerful running game in addition to the up tempo-quick strike passing game... and that's exactly the type of offense that he ran at Oregon this year and that Frost will run in Florida.

Unfortunately I'm going to have to join the chorus in saying that this person going by the name RADAR does not know what they are talking about... and appears to know nothing about football.

Let us not forget that many of the principles for the zone read scheme were derived from Dr. Tom's option principles.

Correct

Both schemes call for a dual threat quarterback... a quarterback who can pass AND run. This type of offense is more difficult to defend because the defense has to account for designed quarterback running plays which means they have to account for an additional offensive threat.

A strong running game defeats the other team physically and mentally more than any other type of play.

Osborne understood that... and Frost understands it.

 

[TheSker]

When Bo's less-than-inspiring final speech to his team went public, it wasn't Eichorst who looked bad.

Time to move on into 2015 where Eichorst was booed at Memorial Stadium.

 

[RADAR]

When Bo's less-than-inspiring final speech to his team went public, it wasn't Eichorst who looked bad.

Time to move on into 2015 where Eichorst was booed at Memorial Stadium.

The fans were scum for doing that. I remember when Bob Brown was honored in Memorial stadium, it was the first time he returned since he played. Pederson introduced him. The fans booed and he thought it was about him. Sickening. Nebraska fans are a$$hole$ sometimes.

 

[cm husker]

When Bo's less-than-inspiring final speech to his team went public, it wasn't Eichorst who looked bad.

Time to move on into 2015 where Eichorst was booed at Memorial Stadium.

The fans were scum for doing that. I remember when Bob Brown was honored in Memorial stadium, it was the first time he returned since he played. Pederson introduced him. The fans booed and he thought it was about him. Sickening. Nebraska fans are a$$hole$ sometimes.

Brown did not think it was about him. Stop making things up.

 

[RADAR]

When Bo's less-than-inspiring final speech to his team went public, it wasn't Eichorst who looked bad.

Time to move on into 2015 where Eichorst was booed at Memorial Stadium.

The fans were scum for doing that. I remember when Bob Brown was honored in Memorial stadium, it was the first time he returned since he played. Pederson introduced him. The fans booed and he thought it was about him. Sickening. Nebraska fans are a$$hole$ sometimes.

Brown did not think it was about him. Stop making things up.

Yes he did, I was close enough to see the reaction on his face. Imagine a hall of famer comes back for the first time in 40 years and the crowd boos when you are introduced. He has not been back. Nebraska fans can be a$$hole$ and they were on that day and also when Eichorst was booed this year.

 

[cm husker]

What about when they booed during the OSU home game comeback?

 

[RADAR]

What about when they booed during the OSU home game comeback?

What about it? I don't recall anyone booing during the comeback.

 

[cm husker]

What about when they booed during the OSU home game comeback?

What about it?

Were fans being a$$hole$ as you put it.

I find it interesting you can read Brown's mind based on a facial expression.

 

[RADAR]

What about when they booed during the OSU home game comeback?

What about it?

Were fans being a$$hole$ as you put it.

I find it interesting you can read Brown's mind based on a facial expression.

I don't believe anyone was booing during the comeback so you can make your own judgement if you were even there.

There was no smile on Brown's face, just a WTF look so yes I can read body language pretty good.