Expectations over the next 5 years

[Guy Chamberlin]

I do find it amusing when people attack me on the issue of me not understanding the offenses.

There are plenty of examples, but statements like the one below make hard to believe you understand the game of football at all.

Matt Ryan is considered by many to be a great QB, even elite. Did anyone else see throw he make directly to Lavonte David with less than 2 min to play?

These WCO/pro style passing systems are tough, even for the professionals.

I think the WCO has more upside when it can be run properly. I think limitations at the college level prevent that.

Why do you think most dynamic offenses at the college level have moved away from WCO principles?

The best teams in college football have both good offenses and good defenses.

Those good offenses run the ball well and pass the ball well, and don't have to rely on a single facet or "one thing they do well" when the opposing defense makes adjustments.

These good offenses will run more if you let them. With less parity in college, a dominant offensive line lets you run the ball more than in the NFL.

Against better defenses, a good college offense will pass a bit more. But they will lower the risk of the passing game with a high percentage short game that spreads the field with RB screens, sideline curls, and quick crossing patterns to the tight end. Every now and then they test the tightening defense with a deep throw. If they get a defense on its heels in the fourth quarter, the between the tackles running game can bust open, too.

40 years ago, a good college quarterback completed 50% of his passes and lived with a 50/50 TD/INT ratio. Today good college quarterbacks regularly complete 65% of their passes and interceptions are way down. It's the same pattern throughout the NFL. And high school football, too. High percentage, ball control offense. What's not to love?

That IS the legacy of WCO principles. It's very much alive. Even with teams that run the ball. You just have to understand the game of football. If you see a team indiscriminately flinging deep passes, they aren't playing WCO.

Saying Matt Ryan threw an interception thus proving that passing is scary is among the stupidest things ever written on this board.

 

[cm husker]

That is the longest post I've ever seen that didn't answer a direct question.

I'm saying Matt Ryan and other pros struggling to make "basic reads" in a WCO is evidence that the WCO isn't suited for the limitations in CFB. It's not as hard to grasp as you're making it. Almost all up and coming OCs are moving away from it at the college level.

 

[Stumpy1]

Smoke and mirrors

Heck, I wish we would keep using those smoke and mirrors!

How about we start to trend into something of substance

If you had your way, we'd bring back Callahan.

I thought he should have been given longer. He had a top 5 recruiting class coming in. { Which Bo lost most of.} Riley came in a saved nearly 100% of the class.

This isn't even remotely true.

It's one thing to have outlandish opinions. But to outright lie? Why?

Actually he is closer to it then you are. Callahan had the #7 rated recruiting class at the time when he got fired. It was stated in a USATODAY article that wont let me paste it. Here are a few things to wrap your head around and try and tell me that Callahan didn't have a top 5 class in the works.

It should be noted that Callahan's 2008 class was shaping up to be his best before he was let go. That class, which at one point contained two five stars (Baker Steinkuhler and Blaine Gabbert) and eight four-stars, was ranked in the top ten during the season, but it fell apart during Nebraska's 2007 collapse and Callahan's firing after the regular-season finale. https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1632299

The Huskers recruiting class of 2008 might be remembered as much for whom it didn't include as for who it did. Among the decommits were five-star quarterback Blaine Gabbert, four-star running back Jonas Gray, four-star offensive linemen Trevor Robinson, Bryce Givens, and Dan Hoch, four-star linebacker Shaun Mohler, and five-star defensive end Simi Kuli. http://bigrednetwork.com/story/the_class_of_2008_comes_together/

 

[cm husker]

When were those players committed? Some weren't at all.

When did they decommit? When the wheels came off. Before Callahan was fired. And there's not certainty they would have signed anyways.

I can't believe the revisionism going on.

 

[GBRedneck]

Smoke and mirrors

Heck, I wish we would keep using those smoke and mirrors!

How about we start to trend into something of substance

If you had your way, we'd bring back Callahan.

I thought he should have been given longer. He had a top 5 recruiting class coming in. { Which Bo lost most of.} Riley came in a saved nearly 100% of the class.

This isn't even remotely true.

It's one thing to have outlandish opinions. But to outright lie? Why?

Actually he is closer to it then you are. Callahan had the #7 rated recruiting class at the time when he got fired. It was stated in a USATODAY article that wont let me paste it. Here are a few things to wrap your head around and try and tell me that Callahan didn't have a top 5 class in the works.

It should be noted that Callahan's 2008 class was shaping up to be his best before he was let go. That class, which at one point contained two five stars (Baker Steinkuhler and Blaine Gabbert) and eight four-stars, was ranked in the top ten during the season, but it fell apart during Nebraska's 2007 collapse and Callahan's firing after the regular-season finale. https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1632299

The Huskers recruiting class of 2008 might be remembered as much for whom it didn't include as for who it did. Among the decommits were five-star quarterback Blaine Gabbert, four-star running back Jonas Gray, four-star offensive linemen Trevor Robinson, Bryce Givens, and Dan Hoch, four-star linebacker Shaun Mohler, and five-star defensive end Simi Kuli. http://bigrednetwork.com/story/the_class_of_2008_comes_together/

The class fell apart way before Pelini took over and the class wasn't ranked #7 at the time he was fired.

 

[cm husker]

Stumpy, your list of "commits" that were lost due to the firing were actually lost much earlier. For example, givens was visiting other schools in October and November of that fall.

 

[cm husker]

Smoke and mirrors

Heck, I wish we would keep using those smoke and mirrors!

How about we start to trend into something of substance

If you had your way, we'd bring back Callahan.

I thought he should have been given longer. He had a top 5 recruiting class coming in. { Which Bo lost most of.} Riley came in a saved nearly 100% of the class.

This isn't even remotely true.
It's one thing to have outlandish opinions. But to outright lie? Why?

Actually he is closer to it then you are. Callahan had the #7 rated recruiting class at the time when he got fired. It was stated in a USATODAY article that wont let me paste it. Here are a few things to wrap your head around and try and tell me that Callahan didn't have a top 5 class in the works.
It should be noted that Callahan's 2008 class was shaping up to be his best before he was let go. That class, which at one point contained two five stars (Baker Steinkuhler and Blaine Gabbert) and eight four-stars, was ranked in the top ten during the season, but it fell apart during Nebraska's 2007 collapse and Callahan's firing after the regular-season finale. https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1632299

The Huskers recruiting class of 2008 might be remembered as much for whom it didn't include as for who it did. Among the decommits were five-star quarterback Blaine Gabbert, four-star running back Jonas Gray, four-star offensive linemen Trevor Robinson, Bryce Givens, and Dan Hoch, four-star linebacker Shaun Mohler, and five-star defensive end Simi Kuli. http://bigrednetwork.com/story/the_class_of_2008_comes_together/

The class fell apart way before Pelini took over and the class wasn't ranked #7 at the time he was fired.

Exactly. But that won't stop the revisionists.

I guess we needed Cally 2.0 to allow the fans of v1 to come out of the weeds.

 

[teachercd]

Man, some of those names on that list! Crazy!

 

[Stumpy1]

Stumpy, your list of "commits" that were lost due to the firing were actually lost much earlier. For example, givens was visiting other schools in October and November of that fall.

And Callahan was fired on November 23rd. Givens stayed committed but took visits. He committed to CU on 12/18/07. That doesn't look like "much earlier" to me.

To continue, here are some of the top guys and when they de-committed.

Gabbert: De-committed 10/25/07

Hoch: De-committed 1/8/08

Givens: De-committed 12/18/07

Gray: De-committed 10/18/07

Reiff: De-committed 12/20/07

 

[Stumpy1]

Man, some of those names on that list! Crazy!

No kidding...A majority of them turned out to be damn good players.

 

[teachercd]

Man, some of those names on that list! Crazy!

No kidding...A majority of them turned out to be damn good players.

Yeah and a few are still in the NFL

 

[KazLong]

Smoke and mirrors

Heck, I wish we would keep using those smoke and mirrors!

How about we start to trend into something of substance

If you had your way, we'd bring back Callahan.

I thought he should have been given longer. He had a top 5 recruiting class coming in. { Which Bo lost most of.} Riley came in a saved nearly 100% of the class.

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[Red Dead Redemption]

Smoke and mirrors

Heck, I wish we would keep using those smoke and mirrors!

How about we start to trend into something of substance

If you had your way, we'd bring back Callahan.

I thought he should have been given longer. He had a top 5 recruiting class coming in. { Which Bo lost most of.} Riley came in a saved nearly 100% of the class.

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LOL

 

[RADAR]

Stumpy, your list of "commits" that were lost due to the firing were actually lost much earlier. For example, givens was visiting other schools in October and November of that fall.

And Callahan was fired on November 23rd. Givens stayed committed but took visits. He committed to CU on 12/18/07. That doesn't look like "much earlier" to me.

To continue, here are some of the top guys and when they de-committed.

Gabbert: De-committed 10/25/07

Hoch: De-committed 1/8/08

Givens: De-committed 12/18/07

Gray: De-committed 10/18/07

Reiff: De-committed 12/20/07

There ya go,quite a class, CM is quite revisionist, If Callahan would have been given a year or 2 more, who know what type of talent he could have brought here.

Vindicated again. I really love how badly you guys want to discredit me and yet you fail every time.

 

[Red Dead Redemption]

I really love how badly you guys want to discredit me and yet you fail every time.

When Bo's less-than-inspiring final speech to his team went public, it wasn't Eichorst who looked bad.

Time to move on into 2015 where Eichorst was booed at Memorial Stadium.

The fans were scum for doing that. I remember when Bob Brown was honored in Memorial stadium, it was the first time he returned since he played. Pederson introduced him. The fans booed and he thought it was about him. Sickening. Nebraska fans are a$$hole$ sometimes.

Brown did not think it was about him. Stop making things up.

Yes he did, I was close enough to see the reaction on his face. Imagine a hall of famer comes back for the first time in 40 years and the crowd boos when you are introduced. He has not been back. Nebraska fans can be a$$hole$ and they were on that day and also when Eichorst was booed this year.

If he had not been back in 40 years prior to that, why should it be surprising that he has not been back in the past 10?

*crickets*