Armstrong: "Treat me like a freshman"

I wonder how much of the decision to not run with Tommy had to do with the lack of QB depth. We all saw what happened when we don't have a fully healthy Tommy. Perhaps he was told to not run as much because there simply wasn't anyone behind him.

Next year well have POB who, though it won't be pretty as a true freshman, will at least provide some depth at that position. Maybe we'll see Tommy run it nor next season.
Lack of depth probably had a lot to do with it. After losing so many games though, I would think that eventually the coaches would say to hell with it and do what Tommy is good at regardless of the depth behind him. There has to be a threshold somewhere where winning trumps everything else. I hate to think about what that threshold is for this staff.

 
I wonder how much of the decision to not run with Tommy had to do with the lack of QB depth. We all saw what happened when we don't have a fully healthy Tommy. Perhaps he was told to not run as much because there simply wasn't anyone behind him.

Next year well have POB who, though it won't be pretty as a true freshman, will at least provide some depth at that position. Maybe we'll see Tommy run it nor next season.
Lack of depth probably had a lot to do with it. After losing so many games though, I would think that eventually the coaches would say to hell with it and do what Tommy is good at regardless of the depth behind him. There has to be a threshold somewhere where winning trumps everything else. I hate to think about what that threshold is for this staff.
I'm thinking about two years for this staff, if Frost proves himself at the Fla school.

GBR!!!

 
That's well said, too, bnilhome. I can understand anyone who's given up hopes of Tommy turning it around. Heck, I'm pretty "well, let's wait-and-see" about this myself -- but he's so eminently likable it's hard for me not to get swept back into cheerleader mode.

If he's unable to live up to it next year, it might mean a bad season, but there'll be other things to be excited about. Such as the potential blossoming of a freshman QB talent.
I guess we all see things a different way. I am a manager at the company I work for, and am accountable for 25 direct reports. I've been in situations where somebody has wanted to be on a special assignment even though it was not a good fit for their skillset, and I have given them that opportunity, and it did not work out. No matter how much they asked to be given another chance and they would change, I've had to make the tough call that it's not the right fit for their skillset. If I had known they really didn't try that hard when given that assignment, I would be livid that they wasted an entire year and impacted all of those around them in the process.

As for the prospect of another bad season, I don't think NU fans are up for that, and I don't think Riley and his staff can afford it. If we have another 5-7 or 6-6 season, Riley should be given the boot. The only reason that TA should start next year is if Riley chooses to do something he's never done in 30 years of coaching...run an option QB offense. That plays to TA's skillset better than the other QBs. If Riley wants to advance his pro-style passing attack which we saw this past season, TA is not the right fit (as many have pointed out...square peg in round hole theory). The worst thing that can happen in 2016 is that Riley elects to keep his pro-style offense and tries to continue fitting the square peg (TA) in the round hole.

 
I appreciate that Tommy is willing to learn, but I doubt those kind of split second decisions can be learned by talking to the coach.....especially a coach who doesn't make the right calls himself. What we've seen a lot of is calling the wrong play and making the wrong read on the wrong play.

 
That's well said, too, bnilhome. I can understand anyone who's given up hopes of Tommy turning it around. Heck, I'm pretty "well, let's wait-and-see" about this myself -- but he's so eminently likable it's hard for me not to get swept back into cheerleader mode.

If he's unable to live up to it next year, it might mean a bad season, but there'll be other things to be excited about. Such as the potential blossoming of a freshman QB talent.
I have always rooted for TA for the same reasons you mentioned, the kid is tough as nails and is driven to win. However he lost a lot of that shine for me late this year when I heard he walked out on the coaches. True leaders don't do that, they accept criticism and figure out how to apply it instead of selectively listening and saying FU to the rest. All of the sudden now he has a come to Jesus moment? Maybe, but it shouldn't have come to this 1 whole year later.
 
I feel like this is something to an extent that you either have or you don't. He can practice when to take off and run and when to just throw it away but it seems difficult to change his entire thought process through an entire play.

 
That's well said, too, bnilhome. I can understand anyone who's given up hopes of Tommy turning it around. Heck, I'm pretty "well, let's wait-and-see" about this myself -- but he's so eminently likable it's hard for me not to get swept back into cheerleader mode.

If he's unable to live up to it next year, it might mean a bad season, but there'll be other things to be excited about. Such as the potential blossoming of a freshman QB talent.
I guess we all see things a different way. I am a manager at the company I work for, and am accountable for 25 direct reports. I've been in situations where somebody has wanted to be on a special assignment even though it was not a good fit for their skillset, and I have given them that opportunity, and it did not work out. No matter how much they asked to be given another chance and they would change, I've had to make the tough call that it's not the right fit for their skillset. If I had known they really didn't try that hard when given that assignment, I would be livid that they wasted an entire year and impacted all of those around them in the process.
Good point bnilhome, the sentence about wasting an opportunity is what resonates with me in this situation. I think there is no question TA works really hard, I think it is also clear he is selective in which instructions he is willing to listen to and internalize. He is trying really hard to be a great QB, but he isn't willing to listen to those who can help him get there. I am wondering if this new TA isn't simply a 2nd chance reaction as you mentioned. He is doing what he can to be given another chance, sad thing is that he could be in a different place right now but chose not to. Not sure a tiger can change his stripes at this point.
 
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I feel like this is something to an extent that you either have or you don't. He can practice when to take off and run and when to just throw it away but it seems difficult to change his entire thought process through an entire play.
I don't disagree, but when the individual doesn't seem willing to even try to adapt to a new role, regardless of his limits to actually fulfill his new obligations, why should he be given another chance to show he will listen and try to adapt?
 
I'm definitely rooting for the kid. I think he is a great guy and I like rooting for him.

The 4 and 1 against Iowa is a good example of where I think the problem is. I think he has a hard time fully understanding what should transpire in a certain point in the game to be successful. Get the first down. Keep the drive going.

It's almost like he wasn't aware it was 4th down. I think he did but that's what it looked like.

 
I feel like this is something to an extent that you either have or you don't. He can practice when to take off and run and when to just throw it away but it seems difficult to change his entire thought process through an entire play.
I don't disagree, but when the individual doesn't seem willing to even try to adapt to a new role, regardless of his limits to actually fulfill his new obligations, why should he be given another chance to show he will listen and try to adapt?
I think he has tried. I think it's fair or inaccurate to claim he doesn't even try.

 
That's well said, too, bnilhome. I can understand anyone who's given up hopes of Tommy turning it around. Heck, I'm pretty "well, let's wait-and-see" about this myself -- but he's so eminently likable it's hard for me not to get swept back into cheerleader mode.

If he's unable to live up to it next year, it might mean a bad season, but there'll be other things to be excited about. Such as the potential blossoming of a freshman QB talent.
I guess we all see things a different way. I am a manager at the company I work for, and am accountable for 25 direct reports. I've been in situations where somebody has wanted to be on a special assignment even though it was not a good fit for their skillset, and I have given them that opportunity, and it did not work out. No matter how much they asked to be given another chance and they would change, I've had to make the tough call that it's not the right fit for their skillset. If I had known they really didn't try that hard when given that assignment, I would be livid that they wasted an entire year and impacted all of those around them in the process.

As for the prospect of another bad season, I don't think NU fans are up for that, and I don't think Riley and his staff can afford it. If we have another 5-7 or 6-6 season, Riley should be given the boot. The only reason that TA should start next year is if Riley chooses to do something he's never done in 30 years of coaching...run an option QB offense. That plays to TA's skillset better than the other QBs. If Riley wants to advance his pro-style passing attack which we saw this past season, TA is not the right fit (as many have pointed out...square peg in round hole theory). The worst thing that can happen in 2016 is that Riley elects to keep his pro-style offense and tries to continue fitting the square peg (TA) in the round hole.
I guarantee we will see the pro style passing attack next year. And every year Riley is here.

 
I feel like this is something to an extent that you either have or you don't. He can practice when to take off and run and when to just throw it away but it seems difficult to change his entire thought process through an entire play.
I don't disagree, but when the individual doesn't seem willing to even try to adapt to a new role, regardless of his limits to actually fulfill his new obligations, why should he be given another chance to show he will listen and try to adapt?
I think he has tried. I think it's fair or inaccurate to claim he doesn't even try.
I didn't say TA doesn't work hard to Get better, I think he selectively chooses what instruction from MR and Langs to accept and internalize, but pays lip service to the rest. The 4th and 1 play you mentioned in the prior post is an example of that. All pre-season we heard how one of the keys to the new offense was for the QB to take to open check down and short routes often. There were even stories where both Langs and MR talked about doing film room study with TA showing him how those routes are open on almost every single play. There was a ton of importance put on it, yet what does TA do in tight spots this past year, he tries to force it deep. We heard he walked out on practice before Iowa because he was frustrated with the criticism from Langs about him needing to be more efficient. Can you imagine how frustrating it must be for Langs and MR to sound like a broken record? TA paid all of that instruction lip service, heck he talked it up to the press in Spring and Fall, yet he didn't heed it in the games.
 
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