Spring Position Battles - Quarterback

[Elf]

As I said before, plenty of blame to go around for that play, both players and coaches. But none if it seems like ineptitude to me as much as it seems like a cascading series of bad breaks (players getting the play wrong, coaches not noticing in time to call a time out, TA not taking the sack, Ozigbo not being able to catch the ball that was slightly behind him). Anyone of those 4 things go right, then Nebraska probably wins the game, but all 4 went wrong.

But to me, it seems pretty unfair to assign inordinate amounts of blame on the coaches for not calling a timeout in response to the wrong formation, as you can clearly see the players are still rushing to get to the line right before TA snapped the ball. It's not like they were just sitting there in formation, waiting for him to snap it, they were just breaking the huddle with 6 on the play clock and getting to the line with 3. Here's the link again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ5ovK30G0?t=2h13m53s

EDIT: watching it once more, I can't help but think that TA thinks he's going to be handing the ball off to Ozigbo. Look at the way he shifts the ball awkwardly between hands to throw it. Maybe we'll never really know for sure what happened on that play.

On 3rd and 7 Tommy has a wide open Ozigbo and he can't deliver the pass in front of his receiver. If he does that, its 1st down Nebraska and game over for Illinois.

If Tommy does his job on 3rd and 7 none of the rest of this matters. I don't expect Tommy to be perfect but if we're going to dissect the coaching performance then there is nothing wrong with dissecting the players performance either.

 

[desertshox]

EDIT: watching it once more, I can't help but think that TA thinks he's going to be handing the ball off to Ozigbo. Look at the way he shifts the ball awkwardly between hands to throw it. Maybe we'll never really know for sure what happened on that play.

On 3rd and 7 Tommy has a wide open Ozigbo and he can't deliver the pass in front of his receiver. If he does that, its 1st down Nebraska and game over for Illinois.

If Tommy does his job on 3rd and 7 none of the rest of this matters. I don't expect Tommy to be perfect but if we're going to dissect the coaching performance then there is nothing wrong with dissecting the players performance either.

that is scapegoating in cm's eyes.

 

[Redux]

Thankyou Elf and Sargon for conveying better things I was thinking. I tend to get worked up from cm and can't properly express things I want to.

Agree completely that Tommy has a tendency to make those live fire mistakes, deny it all you want or blame it on Riley but the fact of the matter is they were issues long before then 2015 season.

The 3rd and 7 was a total mess. If a time iut saves it then it's too bad we didn't call it. I don't remember the formation being wrong because I was more shocked at how badly the play broke down. The blame doesn't rest solely on TA there, but not assigning him any is pretty short sighted.

 

[swmohusker]

Thankyou Elf and Sargon for conveying better things I was thinking. I tend to get worked up from cm and can't properly express things I want to.

Agree completely that Tommy has a tendency to make those live fire mistakes, deny it all you want or blame it on Riley but the fact of the matter is they were issues long before then 2015 season.

The 3rd and 7 was a total mess. If a time iut saves it then it's too bad we didn't call it. I don't remember the formation being wrong because I was more shocked at how badly the play broke down. The blame doesn't rest solely on TA there, but not assigning him any is pretty short sighted.

If I remember correctly the formation wasnt wrong, but Tommy forgot to send someone in motion. That is on Tommy. It would be hard for the coaches to foresee him not being able to send a guy in motion before he snapped it. Cluster all around. Bad play, bad execution, and bad call. That play also helped cost us the Wisconsin game when we just forfeited our last possession and put the game in the hands of our porous pass defense. But enough about that. How about our QB's this spring, eh?

 

[cm husker]

Yup, coaches made some mistakes in that game.

Is it impossible for you to admit Tommy made a lot of mistakes?

He made no more than a standard number that most players make, including a number of guys who made a similar mistake on that play. Again, he was going for a first down on 3rd and 7 with a minute left. I don't think it's as boneheaded as you are painting it.

Now, the mistake the coaches made was boneheaded, and it was a nonstandard error.

What exactly is this standard number of errors that most players make?

Standard? Probably 4 to 6 per game, of varying degrees of consequence.

And who came up with this "standard"?

Basing that off of what a lot of guys did in terms of grades at Nebraska and when I was playing. Perfect assignment games were very very rare.

So its just some bs you made up?

No. I think about 4-6 busted assignments is pretty standard based on my experience. 2 or less is pretty outstanding. Perfect is super rare.

Look back at some of tenopirs grading sheets and you'll get a better sense of what's typical.

 

[cm husker]

Yup, coaches made some mistakes in that game.

Is it impossible for you to admit Tommy made a lot of mistakes?

He made no more than a standard number that most players make, including a number of guys who made a similar mistake on that play. Again, he was going for a first down on 3rd and 7 with a minute left. I don't think it's as boneheaded as you are painting it.

Now, the mistake the coaches made was boneheaded, and it was a nonstandard error.

What exactly is this standard number of errors that most players make?

Standard? Probably 4 to 6 per game, of varying degrees of consequence.

And who came up with this "standard"?

Basing that off of what a lot of guys did in terms of grades at Nebraska and when I was playing. Perfect assignment games were very very rare.

So its just some bs you made up?

No. I think about 4-6 busted assignments is pretty standard based on my experience. 2 or less is pretty outstanding. Perfect is super rare.

Look back at some of tenopirs grading sheets and you'll get a better sense of what's typical.

 

[cm husker]

Thankyou Elf and Sargon for conveying better things I was thinking. I tend to get worked up from cm and can't properly express things I want to.

Agree completely that Tommy has a tendency to make those live fire mistakes, deny it all you want or blame it on Riley but the fact of the matter is they were issues long before then 2015 season.

The 3rd and 7 was a total mess. If a time iut saves it then it's too bad we didn't call it. I don't remember the formation being wrong because I was more shocked at how badly the play broke down. The blame doesn't rest solely on TA there, but not assigning him any is pretty short sighted.

If I remember correctly the formation wasnt wrong, but Tommy forgot to send someone in motion. That is on Tommy. It would be hard for the coaches to foresee him not being able to send a guy in motion before he snapped it. Cluster all around. Bad play, bad execution, and bad call. That play also helped cost us the Wisconsin game when we just forfeited our last possession and put the game in the hands of our porous pass defense. But enough about that. How about our QB's this spring, eh?

That's not the account from carter. They also got to the line with 3 seconds on the play clock. There was no time to put anyone in motion. Coaches in the press box should have easily recognized that a timeout was appropriate to get things squared away.

The video has been posted a few times now.

 

[cm husker]

Vilify huh cm? Drama queen. Whether you like it or not most fans will forever remember Bo accurately which is as a narcissistic a-hole with inadequate HC acumen to keep his job.

Scapegoating huh cm? That pass he threw (that he shouldn't have), he threw because he always makes live fire decision mistakes he could see it was the most open, simple, short pass target he's ever seen. Then he choked it.

Accusations of narcissism from a guy that is sporting the poster boy as his avatar. That qualifies as irony, I think.
And Armstrkng doesn't "always make live fire mistakes." Quit making sh#t up about our player to excuse a poor sequence by the coaches.

He makes live fire mistakes nearly every game.
I would agree, the coaches certainly could have done better, but Tommy could've as well.

Every player makes "live fire mistakes" (loving the military analogy here...) every game.

The point is, good coaches understand how to put their players in a position to minimize those mistakes and the impact when it does happen.

 

[cm husker]

As I said before, plenty of blame to go around for that play, both players and coaches. But none if it seems like ineptitude to me as much as it seems like a cascading series of bad breaks (players getting the play wrong, coaches not noticing in time to call a time out, TA not taking the sack, Ozigbo not being able to catch the ball that was slightly behind him). Anyone of those 4 things go right, then Nebraska probably wins the game, but all 4 went wrong.

But to me, it seems pretty unfair to assign inordinate amounts of blame on the coaches for not calling a timeout in response to the wrong formation, as you can clearly see the players are still rushing to get to the line right before TA snapped the ball. It's not like they were just sitting there in formation, waiting for him to snap it, they were just breaking the huddle with 6 on the play clock and getting to the line with 3. Here's the link again:

Wait, so now he was supposed to pass it? You guys should really align your arguments.
And yeah, to the next poster, when you blame a player who threw an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7 while there was mass confusion on the field created by a play call, yes that is scapegoating the player.

Let's also not forget that it wasn't like he threw a pick six. There's no excuse for a staff having NU in a 13-7 game late with Illinois and then not being able to put together a defensive stand to close things out.

It's freaking Illinois.

But people want to focus on one play and one player's preceived fault rather than the systemic issues that put that game in doubt in the first place.

 

[BigRedBuster]

As I said before, plenty of blame to go around for that play, both players and coaches. But none if it seems like ineptitude to me as much as it seems like a cascading series of bad breaks (players getting the play wrong, coaches not noticing in time to call a time out, TA not taking the sack, Ozigbo not being able to catch the ball that was slightly behind him). Anyone of those 4 things go right, then Nebraska probably wins the game, but all 4 went wrong.

But to me, it seems pretty unfair to assign inordinate amounts of blame on the coaches for not calling a timeout in response to the wrong formation, as you can clearly see the players are still rushing to get to the line right before TA snapped the ball. It's not like they were just sitting there in formation, waiting for him to snap it, they were just breaking the huddle with 6 on the play clock and getting to the line with 3. Here's the link again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ5ovK30G0?t=2h13m53s

EDIT: watching it once more, I can't help but think that TA thinks he's going to be handing the ball off to Ozigbo. Look at the way he shifts the ball awkwardly between hands to throw it. Maybe we'll never really know for sure what happened on that play.

On 3rd and 7 Tommy has a wide open Ozigbo and he can't deliver the pass in front of his receiver. If he does that, its 1st down Nebraska and game over for Illinois.

If Tommy does his job on 3rd and 7 none of the rest of this matters. I don't expect Tommy to be perfect but if we're going to dissect the coaching performance then there is nothing wrong with dissecting the players performance either.

If I remember correctly, because the TE was not lined up correctly, the DE had a clear shot at TA so TA didn't have the easiest situation to make a throw. Yes, a sack would have been preferred to what happened. But, a split second decision to try to hit a wide open Ozigbo wasn't the easiest pass to make for any QB.

 

[commando]

everyone needs to stop feeding the troll

 

[RedSavage]

how do i get an instant plus 1 to every post i make like cm gets. his post always get that instant 1 and then no more. even when making posts totally unrelated to the thread he is posting in? lol

Just gotta create your sock account. Funny he double posted something above and they both got +1'ed.

 

[GBRFAN]

how do i get an instant plus 1 to every post i make like cm gets. his post always get that instant 1 and then no more. even when making posts totally unrelated to the thread he is posting in? lol

Just gotta create your sock account. Funny he double posted something above and they both got +1'ed.

good way to get the count up..... I think we need to ban replying to him

 

[swmohusker]

Thankyou Elf and Sargon for conveying better things I was thinking. I tend to get worked up from cm and can't properly express things I want to.

Agree completely that Tommy has a tendency to make those live fire mistakes, deny it all you want or blame it on Riley but the fact of the matter is they were issues long before then 2015 season.

The 3rd and 7 was a total mess. If a time iut saves it then it's too bad we didn't call it. I don't remember the formation being wrong because I was more shocked at how badly the play broke down. The blame doesn't rest solely on TA there, but not assigning him any is pretty short sighted.

If I remember correctly the formation wasnt wrong, but Tommy forgot to send someone in motion. That is on Tommy. It would be hard for the coaches to foresee him not being able to send a guy in motion before he snapped it. Cluster all around. Bad play, bad execution, and bad call. That play also helped cost us the Wisconsin game when we just forfeited our last possession and put the game in the hands of our porous pass defense. But enough about that. How about our QB's this spring, eh?

That's not the account from carter. They also got to the line with 3 seconds on the play clock. There was no time to put anyone in motion. Coaches in the press box should have easily recognized that a timeout was appropriate to get things squared away.

The video has been posted a few times now.

Then why is Cethan watching Tommy the whole time? If he is arc releasing, why would he be watching Tommy's feet?

 

[cm husker]

Thankyou Elf and Sargon for conveying better things I was thinking. I tend to get worked up from cm and can't properly express things I want to.

Agree completely that Tommy has a tendency to make those live fire mistakes, deny it all you want or blame it on Riley but the fact of the matter is they were issues long before then 2015 season.

The 3rd and 7 was a total mess. If a time iut saves it then it's too bad we didn't call it. I don't remember the formation being wrong because I was more shocked at how badly the play broke down. The blame doesn't rest solely on TA there, but not assigning him any is pretty short sighted.

If I remember correctly the formation wasnt wrong, but Tommy forgot to send someone in motion. That is on Tommy. It would be hard for the coaches to foresee him not being able to send a guy in motion before he snapped it. Cluster all around. Bad play, bad execution, and bad call. That play also helped cost us the Wisconsin game when we just forfeited our last possession and put the game in the hands of our porous pass defense. But enough about that. How about our QB's this spring, eh?

That's not the account from carter. They also got to the line with 3 seconds on the play clock. There was no time to put anyone in motion. Coaches in the press box should have easily recognized that a timeout was appropriate to get things squared away.
The video has been posted a few times now.

Then why is Cethan watching Tommy the whole time? If he is arc releasing, why would he be watching Tommy's feet?

He's watching the snap of the ball from that position. It was loud in the stadium.

And he actually did arc release; he also said he lined up wrong after the game (or Langs mentioned it).