Uncle Milt on Rotate-gate

[caveman99]

So now we are upset that the guys playing are the ones that fit the coach's system not the one we want them to run.

Makes perfect sense.

Yeah I love how the narrative has conveniently changed

 

[Mavric]

So now we are upset that the guys playing are the ones that fit the coach's system not the one we want them to run.

Makes perfect sense.

Well, the coaches' system led the nation in interceptions, was a big part of having a 6-7 record and was admitted by the coaches that they probably should have been doing things differently during the year.

So ..... yeah.

 

[Ed Helms]

So now we are upset that the guys playing are the ones that fit the coach's system not the one we want them to run.

Makes perfect sense.

Well, the coaches' system led the nation in interceptions, was a big part of having a 6-7 record and was admitted by the coaches that they probably should have been doing things differently during the year.

So ..... yeah.

^Boliever

 

[cm husker]

I was just looking at Cav's bio.

I see no evidence in his coaching or playing background that would cause me to hit an "I believe" button.

Love milt, but his memory is faulty.

 

[Stumpy1]

So now we are upset that the guys playing are the ones that fit the coach's system not the one we want them to run.

Makes perfect sense.

Well, the coaches' system led the nation in interceptions, was a big part of having a 6-7 record and was admitted by the coaches that they probably should have been doing things differently during the year.

So ..... yeah.

You are really reaching on this one...

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

So now we are upset that the guys playing are the ones that fit the coach's system not the one we want them to run.

Makes perfect sense.

Well, the coaches' system led the nation in interceptions, was a big part of having a 6-7 record and was admitted by the coaches that they probably should have been doing things differently during the year.

So ..... yeah.

You are really reaching on this one...

Stumpy, before people jump down your throat, I think you should specify why you disagree.

 

[caveman99]

So now we are upset that the guys playing are the ones that fit the coach's system not the one we want them to run.

Makes perfect sense.

Well, the coaches' system led the nation in interceptions, was a big part of having a 6-7 record and was admitted by the coaches that they probably should have been doing things differently during the year.

So ..... yeah.

You are really reaching on this one...

Stumpy, before people jump down your throat, I think you should specify why you disagree.

Mavric is now trying to turn an argument about how many oline players should rotated that has somehow shifted to an argument about which players were truly the best 5 last year into an argument about whether the offensive system is the right fit. This trail of weird tangents is pretty funny to watch.

 

[The Dude]

I think we can all agree we'd like to be in a position to play reserves more often. I've yet to encounter a compelling argument as to why Cav, Milt, and the vast majority of football coaches have actually been doing it wrong all along. The goalposts continue to move into increasingly unstable ground.

 

[cm husker]

I think we can all agree we'd like to be in a position to play reserves more often. I've yet to encounter a compelling argument as to why Cav, Milt, and the vast majority of football coaches have actually been doing it wrong all along. The goalposts continue to move into increasingly unstable ground.

Milt wasn't doing it wrong. He played his reserves during meaningful minutes of games.

He is just laying down cover for a fellow OL when he says he didn't. And that's cool. That's in line with his consistent loyalties toward each OL coach at NU.

Cav's approach is consistent with the NFL. I don't think it is consistent with most college coaches.

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

I think we can all agree we'd like to be in a position to play reserves more often. I've yet to encounter a compelling argument as to why Cav, Milt, and the vast majority of football coaches have actually been doing it wrong all along. The goalposts continue to move into increasingly unstable ground.

Milt wasn't doing it wrong. He played his reserves during meaningful minutes of games.

He is just laying down cover for a fellow OL when he says he didn't. And that's cool. That's in line with his consistent loyalties toward each OL coach at NU.

Cav's approach is consistent with the NFL. I don't think it is consistent with most college coaches.

I agree with your first to points here, cm. I remember seeing many backups play early in games for Milt. In fact, whenever Vrzal is on the radio discussing the OL from the 90's, he often notes that a great reason why they had depth was because coaches played backups during meaningful minutes of the games. If Milt wants to try to say otherwise now to make Husker Nation back Cav's coach preference, fine by me. He can display his loyality however he wants, but we don't have to agree when film is available as a counterpoint.

 

[Mavric]

So now we are upset that the guys playing are the ones that fit the coach's system not the one we want them to run.

Makes perfect sense.

Well, the coaches' system led the nation in interceptions, was a big part of having a 6-7 record and was admitted by the coaches that they probably should have been doing things differently during the year.

So ..... yeah.

You are really reaching on this one...

Which points am I reaching about?

 

[Mavric]

So now we are upset that the guys playing are the ones that fit the coach's system not the one we want them to run.

Makes perfect sense.

Well, the coaches' system led the nation in interceptions, was a big part of having a 6-7 record and was admitted by the coaches that they probably should have been doing things differently during the year.

So ..... yeah.

You are really reaching on this one...

Stumpy, before people jump down your throat, I think you should specify why you disagree.

Mavric is now trying to turn an argument about how many oline players should rotated that has somehow shifted to an argument about which players were truly the best 5 last year into an argument about whether the offensive system is the right fit. This trail of weird tangents is pretty funny to watch.

That is the heart of the argument. It seems pretty obvious that most of the reason why certain players played over others - both on the offensive line and in the backfield - was because they were better pass blockers. Several players have said that themselves. It's pretty obvious that the coaches favored players who were better pass blockers.

Actually, you're the one trying to shift the argument. We weren't discussing is the offensive system is the right fit. We were discussing which players fit the system. There's a difference.

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

So now we are upset that the guys playing are the ones that fit the coach's system not the one we want them to run.

Makes perfect sense.

Well, the coaches' system led the nation in interceptions, was a big part of having a 6-7 record and was admitted by the coaches that they probably should have been doing things differently during the year.

So ..... yeah.

You are really reaching on this one...

Stumpy, before people jump down your throat, I think you should specify why you disagree.

Mavric is now trying to turn an argument about how many oline players should rotated that has somehow shifted to an argument about which players were truly the best 5 last year into an argument about whether the offensive system is the right fit. This trail of weird tangents is pretty funny to watch.

That is the heart of the argument. It seems pretty obvious that most of the reason why certain players played over others - both on the offensive line and in the backfield - was because they were better pass blockers. Several players have said that themselves. It's pretty obvious that the coaches favored players who were better pass blockers.

Actually, you're the one trying to shift the argument. We weren't discussing is the offensive system is the right fit. We were discussing which players fit the system. There's a difference.

Coaches Cav and Davis said as much as well when asked about Foster and Wilbon, respectively.

 

[The Dude]

I think we can all agree we'd like to be in a position to play reserves more often. I've yet to encounter a compelling argument as to why Cav, Milt, and the vast majority of football coaches have actually been doing it wrong all along. The goalposts continue to move into increasingly unstable ground.

Milt wasn't doing it wrong. He played his reserves during meaningful minutes of games.

Yeah, he didn't say he never did this. It's just not as frequent an occurrence as some people wish to believe.

He is just laying down cover for a fellow OL when he says he didn't. And that's cool. That's in line with his consistent loyalties toward each OL coach at NU.

This isn't accurate. He's simply offering perspective of how he did things.

Cav's approach is consistent with the NFL. I don't think it is consistent with most college coaches.

I think that's inconsistent with the realities of college football. There isn't some great disparity between college and pro here. Most generally, coaches want their best blockers in the game as much as possible. Typically that's the top 5, but sometimes there a 6th or 7th guy they're equally as comfortable with. Sometimes, but very rarely, there's even more than that.

 

[cm husker]

Milt specifically cited the Miami game as one where they did not substitute. He was objectively incorrect; at least two backups played early in that orange bowl.

He may be "adding perspective" but he's factually wrong. Maybe it was young who was doing the substituting.

In any event it doesn't really matter. But we should try to keep the historical record intact.