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[cm husker]

I really can't believe your offering this serious strategy.

We'd kill the host long before we found one of those handful of elite coaches.

I wouldn't even call Saban one for most of his career. He's also a product of circumstance.

 

[Husker Psycho]

So, you're still contending Alabama fired those coaches?

18 years doesn't prove me wrong. We fired two good coaches at year 6 and year 7. That was a mistake. In both instances. I think if we give either of them 3 years more, which they earned in my opinion, NU would have racked up at least a number of top 10 finishes.

I don't want Nebraska to be Alabama. Ever.

LOL

 

[marko polo]

If Riley win six or seven games this year to meet at the trend. And that's a problem.

If he wins 6 this year, he'll probably be brought back for the following year, but if he wins 6 that year too, I'd say he's probably gone. Eichorst might be gone in that situation as well.

Those two are tied together at the hip.

Which leads right back to the argument of how long to keep an underperforming coach.

Nebraska made a name for themselves by keeping coaches for a long time and so many Nebraska fans believe that keeping coaches for a long time has some sort of magic to it.

It doesn't. Keeping Solich and Pelini past 3-4 years was a mistake with both. The damage they did to the program in the last years of their tenure here did great harm to the program. We just kept them both too long.

Alabama on the other hand never keeps a coach that does not win them a national championship... pronto. The longest they have kept a coach that did not win them a national championship since around 1960 was 4 years. During that time they won something like 12 national championships. They demand national championship level coaches. Produce a national championship for us or you're gone.

For the last 18 years Nebraska has had the attitude of "don't worry" if you don't perform we'll keep you anyway. By doing that they take the pressure off of the coaches to win and they send a message loud and clear that Nebraska no longer expects national championship level coaches. That cant go on any longer. We need to send a message loud and clear that we expect our coaches to perform at the highest level or the're gone. If we are not willing to send that message then we might as well tell the whole world that we no longer are dedicated to championship level coaches and a championship level program.

For every Alabama, there are a dozen programs that try the "fire and forget" method to absolutely no avail.
Nebraska should not try to follow the USC/Alabama model.

cm husker

I respect your football knowledge but unfortunately you have fallen into the exact same fairy tale - make believe syndrome as too many Nebraska fans have done over the last 18 years.

Anyone wanting to have a football program that achieves at the highest level would want to study the program that has achieved the greatest success. I am a Nebraska fan but in all due respect Alabama sets the highest standard for winning championships. Their coaching hiring decisions and recruiting program set the high bar. Alabama has won 11 national championships since 1958. That's reality, not make believe - fairy tale. Any program and their athletic directors and decision makers wanting to compete at a championship level would want to have the Wikipedia page of Alabama coaches since 1958 sitting in front of them on their desk at all times. 11 national championships speaks for itself.

How do they do what they do? Your misinterpretation of what they do as "fire and forget" is nonsense and you have totally missed the obvious.

You believe in rewarding coaches with longevity? Alabama sets the standard:

Bear Bryant (who won them 6 national championships) coached at Alabama for 25 years.

Gene Stallings (national championship in 92) coached at Alabama for 7 years.

Nick Saban (4 national championships) has coached at Alabama for 10 years and running.

Alabama supports it's championship coaches with longevity, period. It's what they do with their underperforming coaches that is different from Nebraska.

For 18 years Nebraska has been blindly and dumbly offered longevity to coaches who just simply did not deserve that. Hanging on to underperforming coaches too long is absurd. The later part of their tenures has resulted in great harm to the program. It's killed our standing in the football world and harmed our recruiting badly. Why? Because we have said to the football world and young players that Nebraska is no longer interested in championship level coaching. We are content with mediocrity.

Hubris and fairy tale thinking has caused all of this. The notion that we are somehow "different" from other programs is nonsense. We don't have any special powers and we don't make coaches or players. We compete in the exact same football world as everyone else. The last 18 years has proven that. It's long past time to stop the hubris and fairy tale thinking.

We should expect the highest performance from our coaches. No more excuses. No more fairy tales.

Did Alabama fire coaches because of no championship or because they posted affirmatively poor records?
Additionally, Alabama didn't fire a number of the coaches who came and went after Bryant.

When Riley is finished, Nebraska needs to hire a good young coach and cultivate him.

Fire and forget doesn't work. Alabama is an outlier, and they have far more resources/advantages than Nebraska.

I agree we need to deal in reality, but we have a much different understanding of the lessons to be drawn from that reality.

"Nebr. needs to find a good young coach and cultivate him" Hmmmmm I can think of one that would have nice but we didn't offer( at least not that I know of ) and he went down south, and I think he likes it there . I think the ship might have sailed on him.

 

[marko polo]

Even if we were to try to get a proven " elite " coach here, we wouldn't pony up the cash needed! We like to do it on the cheap around here. Dad gummit we are settlers that's what we do lol

 

[Husker Psycho]

So, you're still contending Alabama fired those coaches?

18 years doesn't prove me wrong. We fired two good coaches at year 6 and year 7. That was a mistake. In both instances. I think if we give either of them 3 years more, which they earned in my opinion, NU would have racked up at least a number of top 10 finishes.

I don't want Nebraska to be Alabama. Ever.

Some of the coaches were outright fired.

With these three Alabama found a way "not to retain them". If they had believed they were great coaches they would have kept them... just like they did with Bear Bryant, Stallings and now Saban.

This is a big boy game. Alabama is very savvy at the coaching hire game. They understand the face saving scheme and it's worked well for them. Coaches admire Alabama for that. It allows a coach to take a job there and if it doesn't work out they know Alabama will protect their reputation even though they let them go. Nebraska could learn a lot from Alabama football history... but hubris prevents our program from learning.

18 years.

 

[Husker Psycho]

If Riley win six or seven games this year to meet at the trend. And that's a problem.

If he wins 6 this year, he'll probably be brought back for the following year, but if he wins 6 that year too, I'd say he's probably gone. Eichorst might be gone in that situation as well.

Those two are tied together at the hip.

Which leads right back to the argument of how long to keep an underperforming coach.

Nebraska made a name for themselves by keeping coaches for a long time and so many Nebraska fans believe that keeping coaches for a long time has some sort of magic to it.

It doesn't. Keeping Solich and Pelini past 3-4 years was a mistake with both. The damage they did to the program in the last years of their tenure here did great harm to the program. We just kept them both too long.

Alabama on the other hand never keeps a coach that does not win them a national championship... pronto. The longest they have kept a coach that did not win them a national championship since around 1960 was 4 years. During that time they won something like 12 national championships. They demand national championship level coaches. Produce a national championship for us or you're gone.

For the last 18 years Nebraska has had the attitude of "don't worry" if you don't perform we'll keep you anyway. By doing that they take the pressure off of the coaches to win and they send a message loud and clear that Nebraska no longer expects national championship level coaches. That cant go on any longer. We need to send a message loud and clear that we expect our coaches to perform at the highest level or the're gone. If we are not willing to send that message then we might as well tell the whole world that we no longer are dedicated to championship level coaches and a championship level program.

For every Alabama, there are a dozen programs that try the "fire and forget" method to absolutely no avail.
Nebraska should not try to follow the USC/Alabama model.

cm husker

I respect your football knowledge but unfortunately you have fallen into the exact same fairy tale - make believe syndrome as too many Nebraska fans have done over the last 18 years.

Anyone wanting to have a football program that achieves at the highest level would want to study the program that has achieved the greatest success. I am a Nebraska fan but in all due respect Alabama sets the highest standard for winning championships. Their coaching hiring decisions and recruiting program set the high bar. Alabama has won 11 national championships since 1958. That's reality, not make believe - fairy tale. Any program and their athletic directors and decision makers wanting to compete at a championship level would want to have the Wikipedia page of Alabama coaches since 1958 sitting in front of them on their desk at all times. 11 national championships speaks for itself.

How do they do what they do? Your misinterpretation of what they do as "fire and forget" is nonsense and you have totally missed the obvious.

You believe in rewarding coaches with longevity? Alabama sets the standard:

Bear Bryant (who won them 6 national championships) coached at Alabama for 25 years.

Gene Stallings (national championship in 92) coached at Alabama for 7 years.

Nick Saban (4 national championships) has coached at Alabama for 10 years and running.

Alabama supports it's championship coaches with longevity, period. It's what they do with their underperforming coaches that is different from Nebraska.

For 18 years Nebraska has been blindly and dumbly offered longevity to coaches who just simply did not deserve that. Hanging on to underperforming coaches too long is absurd. The later part of their tenures has resulted in great harm to the program. It's killed our standing in the football world and harmed our recruiting badly. Why? Because we have said to the football world and young players that Nebraska is no longer interested in championship level coaching. We are content with mediocrity.

Hubris and fairy tale thinking has caused all of this. The notion that we are somehow "different" from other programs is nonsense. We don't have any special powers and we don't make coaches or players. We compete in the exact same football world as everyone else. The last 18 years has proven that. It's long past time to stop the hubris and fairy tale thinking.

We should expect the highest performance from our coaches. No more excuses. No more fairy tales.

Did Alabama fire coaches because of no championship or because they posted affirmatively poor records?
Additionally, Alabama didn't fire a number of the coaches who came and went after Bryant.

When Riley is finished, Nebraska needs to hire a good young coach and cultivate him.

Fire and forget doesn't work. Alabama is an outlier, and they have far more resources/advantages than Nebraska.

I agree we need to deal in reality, but we have a much different understanding of the lessons to be drawn from that reality.

"Nebr. needs to find a good young coach and cultivate him" Hmmmmm I can think of one that would have nice but we didn't offer( at least not that I know of ) and he went down south, and I think he likes it there . I think the ship might have sailed on him.

Good point.

I sure hope the ship hasn't sailed. But of course it would be typical of Nebraska for the last 18 years to let the ship sail without us on it.

 

[cm husker]

So, you're still contending Alabama fired those coaches?

18 years doesn't prove me wrong. We fired two good coaches at year 6 and year 7. That was a mistake. In both instances. I think if we give either of them 3 years more, which they earned in my opinion, NU would have racked up at least a number of top 10 finishes.

I don't want Nebraska to be Alabama. Ever.

Some of the coaches were outright fired.

With these three Alabama found a way "not to retain them". If they had believed they were great coaches they would have kept them... just like they did with Bear Bryant, Stallings and now Saban.

This is a big boy game. Alabama is very savvy at the coaching hire game. They understand the face saving scheme and it's worked well for them. Coaches admire Alabama for that. It allows a coach to take a job there and if it doesn't work out they know Alabama will protect their reputation even though they let them go. Nebraska could learn a lot from Alabama football history... but hubris prevents our program from learning.

18 years.

Those that were fired had .500 or so records (or worse).

You're factually wrong, and it's demonstrable, about the other three coaches. They offered one a $15m contract. If that was a maneuver to get him gone, it was some next level jedi mind trick stuff.

However, please note that Alabama did, indeed, fire/force out one of the coaches you list as a glowing example of championship coaches: Gene Stallings - mainly due to NCAA infractions and a big reason I don't want NU to be Alabama.

 

[husker98]

If Riley win six or seven games this year to meet at the trend. And that's a problem.

If he wins 6 this year, he'll probably be brought back for the following year, but if he wins 6 that year too, I'd say he's probably gone. Eichorst might be gone in that situation as well.

Those two are tied together at the hip.

Which leads right back to the argument of how long to keep an underperforming coach.

Nebraska made a name for themselves by keeping coaches for a long time and so many Nebraska fans believe that keeping coaches for a long time has some sort of magic to it.

It doesn't. Keeping Solich and Pelini past 3-4 years was a mistake with both. The damage they did to the program in the last years of their tenure here did great harm to the program. We just kept them both too long.

Alabama on the other hand never keeps a coach that does not win them a national championship... pronto. The longest they have kept a coach that did not win them a national championship since around 1960 was 4 years. During that time they won something like 12 national championships. They demand national championship level coaches. Produce a national championship for us or you're gone.

For the last 18 years Nebraska has had the attitude of "don't worry" if you don't perform we'll keep you anyway. By doing that they take the pressure off of the coaches to win and they send a message loud and clear that Nebraska no longer expects national championship level coaches. That cant go on any longer. We need to send a message loud and clear that we expect our coaches to perform at the highest level or the're gone. If we are not willing to send that message then we might as well tell the whole world that we no longer are dedicated to championship level coaches and a championship level program.

For every Alabama, there are a dozen programs that try the "fire and forget" method to absolutely no avail.
Nebraska should not try to follow the USC/Alabama model.

if we are hanging around the 7-8 win area after yr 3 which model should we try? Or just say screw it, I guess that is who we are.

7-8 wins is probably the low end and would be justifiable to make a change. But if we fire a third .700+ coach, we are a joke.

cm

This is in reply to both of your posts.

Since 1958 Alabama has fired:

Bill Curry = .722 winning percentage

Ray Perkins = .677 winning percentage

Dennis Franchione = .680 winning percentage

It didn't hurt them any. That's because they believe in themselves. They sent a message to the football world that they wanted coaches of the highest (championship) level not mediocre level co

Yea because they are in a talent hotbed and this is after the success of the bear. We cannot get away with that at Nebraska.

It's clear you have a hard on/jealous at Bama's run of success. If their dirty AF style of doing things is how you like seeing things done maybe you should be a Bama fan, not a Nebraska fan.

Look at UNL's history in football and other sports, it took Devney and Osborne a decade or more to win a title here, but when they did they produced two of the best teams to EVER play the game. They did things the right way, and it took longer, but the result was far more satisfying.

There Is a formula for success here, it works, so why is it that people look at the USC's and BAMA's and think hey that will work here too is beyond me.

 

[marko polo]

What exactly is that formula, I think we may have mis-placed it, we must have it wrote down somewhere don't we

 

[Redux]

This feels like watching the nWo imploding.

 

[marko polo]

This feels like watching the nWo imploding.

lol

 

[NUinID]

The pissing contests need to stop.

A lot of people like to say that the last play - or a play near the end of the game - won or lost the game. This is true in the sense that nothing that happened after that particular play could have changed the outcome.

However, it is equally true that different outcomes of other plays earlier in the game had at least as much effect (if not more) on the outcome of the game as that last play did.

Much of the focus gets put on the last play because that's the last chance. But no one play is the sole determinant of who wins our loses. It only may have the final say in who wins or loses.

So both sides are "correct." It just depends on your frame of reference and what you want to focus on.

Hey this is not a pissing contest. H. Psycho told me so back on page 3.

 

[Husker Psycho]

What exactly is that formula, I think we may have mis-placed it, we must have it wrote down somewhere don't we

Good point.

That would be the no formula... formula.

Someone said it was a "homegrown" formula. If that were the case then Barney Cotton would be our head coach and we would have made him a hall of fame coach because we don't hire coaches like everyone else... we make coaches.

 

[hskrfan4life]

The posting about the "Osborne method/Delaney method," is what upsets me about some Husker fans. That was long ago, we tried to follow up those methods with Osborne hand picking which both got fired.

It is 2016. The last time Nebraska won anything worth noting was in 1999 with Frank Solich.

We can celebrate the past but don't become a prisoner of it. The past shouldn't dictate what one should do in the present and future.

So many things have changed since Osborne left (literally people's fascination with him is creepy) in both the NCAA and the game of football. There is no guarantee things would work now as they did, obviously we will never know because the situations will never be the same.

Let's just move on from the past and live in the now.

 

[husker98]

What exactly is that formula, I think we may have mis-placed it, we must have it wrote down somewhere don't we

Good point.

That would be the no formula... formula.

Someone said it was a "homegrown" formula. If that were the case then Barney Cotton would be our head coach and we would have made him a hall of fame coach because we don't hire coaches like everyone else... we make coaches.

lol

Yup you win national titles at this level of football without any planning at all, go try that at the pee wee level an let me know how that works for ya. And ask tom for that formula, he he won three rings with it, you might of heard of him.

I don't even understand the last comment there, i think im done here, it was fun.