Let's talk about Islamophobia

[NM11046]

I feel like this conversation is circular --- a few of you should create another thread where you can discuss how the muslims are all bad and are going to take over the US and kill us all and the rest of us can have a practical discussion.

 

[huskerfan2000]

Your proud Republican statesman, convention speaker, and 2016 VP finalist Newt Gingrich, in his own words:

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/07/14/fox-newt-gingrich-calls-muslims-be-deported-if-they-believe-sharia/211594

We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported. (...)

Anybody who goes on a website favoring ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or other terrorist groups, that should be a felony, and they should go to jail. (...)

Look, the first step is you have to ask them the questions. The second step is you have to monitor what they're doing on the internet. The third step is -- let me be very clear. You have to monitor the mosques. (...)

Great, great guy.
#BOTHSIDES

Funny, you want to deeper gun laws, even banning them, to stop the deaths but yet you have no problem letting these people into this country without being checked out? lol, gotta love this mindset.

Think about this for a minute.. further restrict law abiding citizens, but give free access for those who have potential to kill massive groups of Americans...

Anyone has the potential to massive groups of Americans. That's not exclusive to Muslims. So do we have to test everyone?

For a country so averse to government surveillance, a lot of us sure don't seem to mind if it's done to the scary brown people...

What other groups are killing people like Muslims? none!!

EDIT: haha, no you're are just for limiting Americans rights..

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

According to a new nationwide online survey (Below) of 600 Muslims living in the United States, of those polled a significant minority embraces the supremacist notions that could pose a threat to America’s security and its constitutional form of government.*

The numbers of potential jihadists among the majority of Muslims who appear not to be sympathetic to such notions raise a number of public policy choices that warrant careful consideration and urgent debate, including: the necessity for enhanced surveillance of Muslim communities; refugee resettlement, asylum and other immigration programs that are swelling their numbers and density; and the viability of so-called “countering violent extremism” initiatives that are supposed to stymie radicalization within those communities.

Overall, the survey, which was conducted by The Polling Company for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), suggests that a substantial number of Muslims living in the United States see the country very differently than does the population overall. The sentiments of the latter were sampled in late May in another CSP-commissioned Polling Company nationwide survey.

I highly doubt 600 Muslims represent the population of American Muslims. The fact that the authors don't give their methodology casts further doubt on their claims as well.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/12/massive_worldwide_support_for_sharia_law_among_global_muslim_community.html

Last, but not least, Pew also released the following startling results from a survey of Muslim Americans in 2011:

• "A significant minority (21 percent) of Muslim Americans say there is a great deal (6 percent) or a fair amount (15 percent) of support for extremism in the Muslim American community." Only 34 percent of U.S. Muslims said there is no support for extremism in the Muslim American community.

• "[One percent of Muslim Americans] say that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are often justified to defend Islam from its enemies; an additional 7 percent say suicide bombings are sometimes justified in these circumstances."

• "[P]ercentage of Muslim Americans express[ing] favorable views of al Qaeda – 2 percent very favorable and 3 percent somewhat favorable." Another 11 percent of U.S. Muslims only view al Qaeda "somewhat unfavorably."

• Thirty-one percent of U.S. Muslims see a "[c]onflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society."

With millions of Muslims already living in the United States, the scope of the potential problem emerges.

If we take the accepted estimate of 2.75 million Muslims in the USA at present, the Pew polling data suggests that there are 220,000 Muslim Americans who believe that suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified to defend Islam from its enemies, 138,000 who hold a favorable or somewhat favorable view of al Qaeda, and more than 850,000 Muslim Americans who see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society such as that of the United States.

Clearly some serious issues for policymakers and presidential candidates to be concerned about.

 

[NM11046]

Islamophobia huh? LOL So many ignorant fools who seem to have their heads up their own .....!

Nothing irrational or insane about being afraid of Muslim nuts! And when 20% of the world's 2 Billion Muslims support and agree with this crap, Yes, it seems quite reasonable to fear their lunacy. Sharia Muslims avow to overthrow the American government and do not follow or obey our laws. They are simply enemies of the people and government of the United States and should be deported or arrested and jailed for their treasonous acts against the country.

This is NOT phobia. It is real as can be and alive and well and spreading throughout the world and particularly in the United States. The FBI and Hillary protector Comey has declared there are literally hundreds of on going FBI investigations of radical Muslimes all over (in every state in fact).

AND better yet - some of those investigations will turn up nothing. And you know what, there are literally hundreds of ongoing FBI investigations of everyday people taking place in every state as well. Some of whom (SHOCKER) are not muslims.

I don't doubt there can potentially be people that claim to be muslim that are radicalized and living in every state of the union. The fact that "So many ignorant fools who seem to have their heads up their own .....!" believe that this means all muslims are radicalized is defined as a phobia.

 

[funhusker]

Your proud Republican statesman, convention speaker, and 2016 VP finalist Newt Gingrich, in his own words:

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/07/14/fox-newt-gingrich-calls-muslims-be-deported-if-they-believe-sharia/211594

We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported. (...)

Anybody who goes on a website favoring ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or other terrorist groups, that should be a felony, and they should go to jail. (...)

Look, the first step is you have to ask them the questions. The second step is you have to monitor what they're doing on the internet. The third step is -- let me be very clear. You have to monitor the mosques. (...)

Great, great guy.
#BOTHSIDES

Funny, you want to deeper gun laws, even banning them, to stop the deaths but yet you have no problem letting these people into this country without being checked out? lol, gotta love this mindset.

Think about this for a minute.. further restrict law abiding citizens, but give free access for those who have potential to kill massive groups of Americans...

Anyone has the potential to massive groups of Americans. That's not exclusive to Muslims. So do we have to test everyone?

For a country so averse to government surveillance, a lot of us sure don't seem to mind if it's done to the scary brown people...

What other groups are killing people like Muslims? none!!

EDIT: haha, no you're are just for limiting Americans rights..

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

According to a new nationwide online survey (Below) of 600 Muslims living in the United States, of those polled a significant minority embraces the supremacist notions that could pose a threat to America’s security and its constitutional form of government.*

The numbers of potential jihadists among the majority of Muslims who appear not to be sympathetic to such notions raise a number of public policy choices that warrant careful consideration and urgent debate, including: the necessity for enhanced surveillance of Muslim communities; refugee resettlement, asylum and other immigration programs that are swelling their numbers and density; and the viability of so-called “countering violent extremism” initiatives that are supposed to stymie radicalization within those communities.

Overall, the survey, which was conducted by The Polling Company for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), suggests that a substantial number of Muslims living in the United States see the country very differently than does the population overall. The sentiments of the latter were sampled in late May in another CSP-commissioned Polling Company nationwide survey.

I highly doubt 600 Muslims represent the population of American Muslims. The fact that the authors don't give their methodology casts further doubt on their claims as well.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/12/massive_worldwide_support_for_sharia_law_among_global_muslim_community.html

Last, but not least, Pew also released the following startling results from a survey of Muslim Americans in 2011:

• "A significant minority (21 percent) of Muslim Americans say there is a great deal (6 percent) or a fair amount (15 percent) of support for extremism in the Muslim American community." Only 34 percent of U.S. Muslims said there is no support for extremism in the Muslim American community.

• "[One percent of Muslim Americans] say that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are often justified to defend Islam from its enemies; an additional 7 percent say suicide bombings are sometimes justified in these circumstances."

• "[P]ercentage of Muslim Americans express[ing] favorable views of al Qaeda – 2 percent very favorable and 3 percent somewhat favorable." Another 11 percent of U.S. Muslims only view al Qaeda "somewhat unfavorably."

• Thirty-one percent of U.S. Muslims see a "[c]onflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society."

With millions of Muslims already living in the United States, the scope of the potential problem emerges.

If we take the accepted estimate of 2.75 million Muslims in the USA at present, the Pew polling data suggests that there are 220,000 Muslim Americans who believe that suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified to defend Islam from its enemies, 138,000 who hold a favorable or somewhat favorable view of al Qaeda, and more than 850,000 Muslim Americans who see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society such as that of the United States.

Clearly some serious issues for policymakers and presidential candidates to be concerned about.

I pulled this from the article you are referencing:

"A significant minority (21%) of Muslim Americans say there is a great deal (6%) or a fair amount (15%) of support for extremism in the Muslim American community. That is far below the proportion of the general public that sees at least a fair amount of support for extremism among U.S. Muslims (40%). And while about a quarter of the public (24%) thinks that Muslim support for extremism is increasing, just 4% of Muslims agree."

So, lets digest that. People weren't asked if "they support extremism", they were asked if they "believed a support of extremism existed". Muslim Americans, just like non-Muslim Americans, agree that there is potential for extremism, even though it is the minority of both groups. So how about instead of alienating a large group of people, we actually bring them into the fight. Just a hunch, I'm guessing borderline radicals would be better deterred by a fellow Muslim than a non-Muslim telling them they don't belong here. My uneducated opinion.

 

[The Dude]

@84HuskerLaw, @huskerfan2000

1. Do you agree with Mr. Gingrich's proposal that American citizens can/should be deported based on ideology?

2. If so, how do you reconcile that with the 1st Amendment?

 

[huskerfan2000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnSDUCz3beg

 

[huskerfan2000]

@84HuskerLaw, @huskerfan2000

1. Do you agree with Mr. Gingrich's proposal that American citizens can/should be deported based on ideology?

2. If so, how do you reconcile that with the 1st Amendment?

lol, not what he said.. but don't let that stop you.

 

[huskerfan2000]

I feel like this conversation is circular --- a few of you should create another thread where you can discuss how the muslims are all bad and are going to take over the US and kill us all and the rest of us can have a practical discussion.

lol, but yet you are ok with more gun control, which says all citizens are bad.. weird.

 

[huskerfan2000]

This is what Newt said.. and yes I agree..

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/newt-gingrich-hannity-interview/index.html

Washington (CNN)Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Thursday called for the U.S. to test every person with a Muslim background to see if they believe in Sharia law, and deport those who do.

 

[The Dude]

@84HuskerLaw, @huskerfan2000

1. Do you agree with Mr. Gingrich's proposal that American citizens can/should be deported based on ideology?

2. If so, how do you reconcile that with the 1st Amendment?

lol, not what he said.. but don't let that stop you.

"We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported,"

The direct quote of controversy.

 

[huskerfan2000]

@84HuskerLaw, @huskerfan2000

1. Do you agree with Mr. Gingrich's proposal that American citizens can/should be deported based on ideology?

2. If so, how do you reconcile that with the 1st Amendment?

lol, not what he said.. but don't let that stop you.

"We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported,"

The direct quote of controversy.

Right, he was talking about Muslims, not all American citizens.

 

[NM11046]

@84HuskerLaw, @huskerfan2000

1. Do you agree with Mr. Gingrich's proposal that American citizens can/should be deported based on ideology?

2. If so, how do you reconcile that with the 1st Amendment?

lol, not what he said.. but don't let that stop you.

"We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported,"

The direct quote of controversy.

Right, he was talking about Muslims, not all American citizens.

OMG.

 

[The Dude]

@84HuskerLaw, @huskerfan2000

1. Do you agree with Mr. Gingrich's proposal that American citizens can/should be deported based on ideology?

2. If so, how do you reconcile that with the 1st Amendment?

lol, not what he said.. but don't let that stop you.

"We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported,"

The direct quote of controversy.

Right, he was talking about Muslims, not all American citizens.

He's obviously including Muslim American citizens.

 

[NM11046]

Let me dumb this down - if you are a practicing muslim and a US Citizen, you will be tested according to Newt's proposal ... how does that trump (or does it) your 1st Amendment Rights as a US Citizen?

 

[ZRod]

Your proud Republican statesman, convention speaker, and 2016 VP finalist Newt Gingrich, in his own words:http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/07/14/fox-newt-gingrich-calls-muslims-be-deported-if-they-believe-sharia/211594

We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported. (...)

Anybody who goes on a website favoring ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or other terrorist groups, that should be a felony, and they should go to jail. (...)

Look, the first step is you have to ask them the questions. The second step is you have to monitor what they're doing on the internet. The third step is -- let me be very clear. You have to monitor the mosques. (...)

Great, great guy.#BOTHSIDES

Funny, you want to deeper gun laws, even banning them, to stop the deaths but yet you have no problem letting these people into this country without being checked out? lol, gotta love this mindset.

Think about this for a minute.. further restrict law abiding citizens, but give free access for those who have potential to kill massive groups of Americans...

Anyone has the potential to massive groups of Americans. That's not exclusive to Muslims. So do we have to test everyone?For a country so averse to government surveillance, a lot of us sure don't seem to mind if it's done to the scary brown people...

What other groups are killing people like Muslims? none!!

EDIT: haha, no you're are just for limiting Americans rights..

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

According to a new nationwide online survey (Below) of 600 Muslims living in the United States, of those polled a significant minority embraces the supremacist notions that could pose a threat to Americas security and its constitutional form of government.*

The numbers of potential jihadists among the majority of Muslims who appear not to be sympathetic to such notions raise a number of public policy choices that warrant careful consideration and urgent debate, including: the necessity for enhanced surveillance of Muslim communities; refugee resettlement, asylum and other immigration programs that are swelling their numbers and density; and the viability of so-called countering violent extremism initiatives that are supposed to stymie radicalization within those communities.

Overall, the survey, which was conducted by The Polling Company for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), suggests that a substantial number of Muslims living in the United States see the country very differently than does the population overall. The sentiments of the latter were sampled in late May in another CSP-commissioned Polling Company nationwide survey.

What other groups kill like muslims (so much ignorance in that statement, but I'll bite again)? Brazilians kill far more people than terrorists, some 50k, where's your outrage for them? Mexicans kill more than ISIS did in two years in Iraq (almost 20k per year). Americans kill more Americans than ISIS does in a year (about 12k). Where's your outrage for these groups? They're are vile, barbaric people. Can we ban Americans from America?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate