The Nebraska Way

[desertshox]

Did Devaney cause a car accident while intoxicated?

To be fair, we probably wouldn't have known if he did back then.

How about me personally witnessing him driving up to the East Campus union about 1:00pm on a Tuesday, parking (yes, driving) getting out of the car and smelling like a brewery?

Not particularly relevant unless you saw him cause an accident. Did you see him cause an accident?
Also not so relevant based on 50 years of changes in culture.

so drinking and driving isnt the issue, causing an accident is?

i am absolutely dumbfounded at how you attempt to sidestep the fact he witnessed devaney driving drunk.

 

[cm husker]

Did Devaney cause a car accident while intoxicated?

To be fair, we probably wouldn't have known if he did back then.

How about me personally witnessing him driving up to the East Campus union about 1:00pm on a Tuesday, parking (yes, driving) getting out of the car and smelling like a brewery?

Not particularly relevant unless you saw him cause an accident. Did you see him cause an accident?
Also not so relevant based on 50 years of changes in culture.

so drinking and driving isnt the issue, causing an accident is?

i am absolutely dumbfounded at how you attempt to sidestep the fact he witnessed devaney driving drunk.

He witnessed Devaney "smelling like a brewery" 30 some years ago.

You guys are unbelievable. Truly.

But yes, the actual consequences of malum prohibitum behavior to matter. Of course they do. Everyone knows that.

 

[Landlord]

But yes, the actual consequences of malum prohibitum behavior to matter. Of course they do. Everyone knows that.

The consequences matter, but not nearly as much in determining the ethic of a thing, because the consequences have 0% chance of happening without the decision.

Someone driving while intoxicated and killing someone is worse than if they drive intoxicated and get home safely. No doubt. But the drunk driver that kills someone is no worse of a person or made worse of a decision than the drunk driver who didn't.

 

[BigRedBuster]

Did Devaney cause a car accident while intoxicated?

To be fair, we probably wouldn't have known if he did back then.

How about me personally witnessing him driving up to the East Campus union about 1:00pm on a Tuesday, parking (yes, driving) getting out of the car and smelling like a brewery?

Not particularly relevant unless you saw him cause an accident. Did you see him cause an accident?
Also not so relevant based on 50 years of changes in culture.

so drinking and driving isnt the issue, causing an accident is?

i am absolutely dumbfounded at how you attempt to sidestep the fact he witnessed devaney driving drunk.

He witnessed Devaney "smelling like a brewery" 30 some years ago.

You guys are unbelievable. Truly.

But yes, the actual consequences of malum prohibitum behavior to matter. Of course they do. Everyone knows that.

Sooo...yes....I witnessed him driving drunk. No question about it. He would have blown way more than Williams.

I'm not judging him for that. I still think he was a great guy and built one hell of a program.

But, people need to quit acting like everyone "back in the day" were angels.

 

[knapplc]

But, people need to quit acting like everyone "back in the day" were angels.

Amen. A person can cherish the Devaney/Osborne years while also having eyes fully wide open about who and what they were as coaches. There was collateral damage to those years. It's not a crime to admit that.

 

[Count 'Bility]

So the Nebraska way is drunks, hookers, woman beaters and child rapists. Got it.

 

[BigRedBuster]

So the Nebraska way is drunks, hookers, woman beaters and child rapists. Got it.

Who said that?

 

[84HuskerLaw]

Whether or not any of the incredible allegations of wrongdoing by every relatively famous person ever associated with Nebraska athletics are true or not (I don't think any of us on this board are going to prove or disprove any of it btw), it is really amazing how mean spirited and almost hateful you people seem to be toward each other. WOW!

We can all disagree on just exactly what "the Nebraska Way" is supposed to be I guess but surely we can all agree on one thing - this discussion (if you can grace it with that description) is certainly NOT 'the Nebraska Way" or I would hope not anyway!

The tone that just oozes through most of the "conversations' that are generated on this board is downright nasty and ugly. I don't think that in anyway reflects the spirit of being a Husker fan in any positive way. You'd think we were about to start on our third consecutive win less season of prison football (think the Longest Yard).

 

[RedRedJarvisRedwine]

So the Nebraska way is drunks, hookers, woman beaters and child rapists. Got it.

Who said that?

no he's right, I have the Tshirt.

 

[knapplc]

Whether or not any of the incredible allegations of wrongdoing by every relatively famous person ever associated with Nebraska athletics are true or not (I don't think any of us on this board are going to prove or disprove any of it btw), it is really amazing how mean spirited and almost hateful you people seem to be toward each other. WOW!

We can all disagree on just exactly what "the Nebraska Way" is supposed to be I guess but surely we can all agree on one thing - this discussion (if you can grace it with that description) is certainly NOT 'the Nebraska Way" or I would hope not anyway!

The tone that just oozes through most of the "conversations' that are generated on this board is downright nasty and ugly. I don't think that in anyway reflects the spirit of being a Husker fan in any positive way. You'd think we were about to start on our third consecutive win less season of prison football (think the Longest Yard).

Either this is a joke or you don't read your own posts in the P&R forum.

 

[TAKODA]

Does everyone really want to know the secret to "The Nebraska Way?"

It's called the Ignore function.

Hehe, Boom!

 

[JJ Husker]

It's a false equivalency to say that people who think Osborne was a man of integrity in the LP situation also think that he, or other "founding fathers" of the football program were some type of infallible angels. I don't think Osborne, and especially not Devaney, were angels. I also think TO acted highly improperly in the gun hiding incident. But to claim TO played LP just to win ignores all sorts of available information and would indicate some type of hidden agenda. Personally I find it rather disgusting. I hope it is because those persons just don't know any better or just can't get beyond the wrong thing(s) LP has done. Most of it seems to be centered on the harm done to Kate and the idea that abusing women should not be tolerated. I can respect that. But then making the logic leap that TO had no integrity for trying to help LP and only did it to win. That's some serious bullsh#t right there. If you feel that way, you just plain don't know what you're talking about or are unwilling to acknowledge all of the available information. But please feel free to continue sharing your foolish thoughts. I don't expect it to change with some of you but I'll never understand why.

 

[Mavric]

It's a false equivalency to say that people who think Osborne was a man of integrity in the LP situation also think that he, or other "founding fathers" of the football program were some type of infallible angels. I don't think Osborne, and especially not Devaney, were angels. I also think TO acted highly improperly in the gun hiding incident. But to claim TO played LP just to win ignores all sorts of available information and would indicate some type of hidden agenda. Personally I find it rather disgusting. I hope it is because those persons just don't know any better or just can't get beyond the wrong thing(s) LP has done. Most of it seems to be centered on the harm done to Kate and the idea that abusing women should not be tolerated. I can respect that. But then making the logic leap that TO had no integrity for trying to help LP and only did it to win. That's some serious bullsh#t right there. If you feel that way, you just plain don't know what you're talking about or are unwilling to acknowledge all of the available information. But please feel free to continue sharing your foolish thoughts. I don't expect it to change with some of you but I'll never understand why.

Exactly.

Just like it shouldn't be that hard to accept the fact that some bad things went on along with a lot of good things, it's also not that hard to see where it's entirely possible that some of the bad things that happened were the result of choices and actions that were done with good (possibly naive) intentions and not ulterior or malicious intent.

 

[StPaulHusker]

It's a false equivalency to say that people who think Osborne was a man of integrity in the LP situation also think that he, or other "founding fathers" of the football program were some type of infallible angels. I don't think Osborne, and especially not Devaney, were angels. I also think TO acted highly improperly in the gun hiding incident. But to claim TO played LP just to win ignores all sorts of available information and would indicate some type of hidden agenda. Personally I find it rather disgusting. I hope it is because those persons just don't know any better or just can't get beyond the wrong thing(s) LP has done. Most of it seems to be centered on the harm done to Kate and the idea that abusing women should not be tolerated. I can respect that. But then making the logic leap that TO had no integrity for trying to help LP and only did it to win. That's some serious bullsh#t right there. If you feel that way, you just plain don't know what you're talking about or are unwilling to acknowledge all of the available information. But please feel free to continue sharing your foolish thoughts. I don't expect it to change with some of you but I'll never understand why.

Considering all of the other things we have seen coaches do in the name of winning, I find it disgusting that people don't think that it couldn't happen here. Maybe those people don't know any better and can't get over the shine of the Sears trophy.

Not tolerating abuse of women is not an idea. It should be your way of life as a man.

It's bullsh#t to me that TO started a woman abuser in the Fiesta Bowl to "save" him

I know just as much about this as you do. We just have a different way of seeing things. I am not trying to convince anyone to jump to my side of the yard but I will be damned if anyone will convince me to jump to theirs regarding this.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

To me the Nebraska way was about not caring what the outside said (like when people tried to say NU's system was too old fashioned to beat Florida teams and that TO would never get over the hump). It was also about loyalty and integrity even when the decision was unpopular on its face. It was about really living up to the adage "in the deed, the glory." Pretty much, it was the application of stoicism to running a program and cheering for a program.

Personally, I think the "Nebraska Way" died in 2003 and I don't think the program or its fan base will really ever be the same after that.

Well the "Nebraska Way" was born when Bob Devaney came to Lincoln, turned the program around, and launched an unprecedented 40 year run of winning as both coach and Athletic Director.

Back in that simpler, more stoic time, Lincoln Police would look the other way when Bob was too drunk to drive. Which was often. The word DUI hadn't been invented yet.

Of course we cared what the outside world said. The outside world said Nebraska was a football dynasty. Husker football made the state famous. They marveled at our ability to recruit to the windswept plains, turn our stadium into the state's third largest city, and regularly cited our fans as among the best and most knowledgable in college football. They put us on Sports Illustrated and Time magazine. They jumped us over Michigan in 1997. They regularly put us on TV, despite our small population base. We really, really cared what the outside world said.

We didn't like it so much when "they" said less flattering things about the program. But they weren't making them up. We lapped that sh#t up when it happened to rival programs.

So I guess it's the Nebraska Way when we are winning championships. Not so much when we're not.

And the tricky thing about "loyalty" is that you have to be loyal.

You don't just declare that all the integrity died when a previous alcoholic coach got fired, and that the program will never be the same.

That's not the Husker Way.