Where Offensive Play-Calling and Coaches Adapting Are Discussed

[Count 'Bility]

Putting players in positions to not make mistakes? When theres a TE in the flat wideopen, and the coach tells yhou before the play "Tommy, Cethan will be wide open in the flat. Hit him. Get the first" and he goes out and throws the fade, is that the coaches fault?

Please link to the evidence that conversation took place.

Because I don't believe you. I'd have to look back at the video, but was there even a conversation between TA and Langs before that play?

That's my whole problem with this system and the blame you're putting on TA. He made the right read and still made the wrong decision. That's a significant issue in the system.

No one has ever said "it's all on the coaches." It's the totality of the evidence over time that indicates whether there's a coaching issue or not. One or two losses a season may be excusable as "just part of the game." When you drop 7 games, including to teams like BYU, Purdue and Illinois, it reflects awful preparation and execution, and that's on the staff.

That's not an issue with THIS system. That was the issue with the previous system, that was based on fast tempo and erratic play. And garbage qb coaching.

No i dont have evidence of such a statement. But jesus. Cmon. These coached are analyzing tendancies for 55 mintues of a game. And when that plays called you can bet your a$$ something along those lines took place. Good god. A guy dont come that wide open without a playcaller expecting him to be such. They called the perfect play for such a scenario. it was Tommy's lack of ablility to play within the moment and do the little thing for a change. That's a result of previous garbage coaching and developement under the current staff.

 

[cm husker]

So basically, you used quotation marks around a narrative you invented out of thin air.

Sounds par for the course, as long as it results in scapegoating a player.

 

[Count 'Bility]

I'm going to defer to Mavric on the running point, because he's posted the facts over and over. I don't feel like repeating them again. Maybe he'll send you a link.

What's that? Stats? Do they break down certain situational instances. Do they break down intangible concepts like the idea of having playmakers at WR that you'd like to get the ball too? The urgency of competing with a porous defense at times? Not having a consistent idea of your identity at RB? These are all issues of a first year. yeah, get me them numbers. I'll continue to watch the games and trust my eyes. I'm not debating with Mav. He does good sh#t. But stats only tell a small slice of the story.

 

[Count 'Bility]

So basically, you used quotation marks around a narrative you invented out of thin air.

Sounds par for the course, as long as it results in scapegoating a player.

yes I did. in a sarcastic manner to display how god damn open the guy was and how my 8 yr old son recognized how open he was on the snap of the ball in live play on tv. One of the most disgusting displays of qb play ive ever witnessed.

Boy you really took a big jump at the obvious there, eh?

 

[Count 'Bility]

LOL. Scapegoating a player? well duh. Coaches coach Players play. This instance falls perfectly in line with this line of thought. Sorry you cant see it that way.

 

[cm husker]

I'm going to defer to Mavric on the running point, because he's posted the facts over and over. I don't feel like repeating them again. Maybe he'll send you a link.

What's that? Stats? Do they break down certain situational instances. Do they break down intangible concepts like the idea of having playmakers at WR that you'd like to get the ball too? The urgency of competing with a porous defense at times? Not having a consistent idea of your identity at RB? These are all issues of a first year. yeah, get me them numbers. I'll continue to watch the games and trust my eyes. I'm not debating with Mav. He does good sh#t. But stats only tell a small slice of the story.

Yeah, he broke them down in detail. Mainly focused on evidence of early abandonment and unimaginative schemes for the RBs.

And you don't sooth a pourous defense by having a QB fling it around who many according to many around here is at best ill fitted and at worst awful.

 

[cm husker]

So basically, you used quotation marks around a narrative you invented out of thin air.

Sounds par for the course, as long as it results in scapegoating a player.

yes I did. in a sarcastic manner to display how god damn open the guy was and how my 8 yr old son recognized how open he was on the snap of the ball in live play on tv. One of the most disgusting displays of qb play ive ever witnessed.
Boy you really took a big jump at the obvious there, eh?

It's ok, and I get that you don't understand some fundamentals here, but when a QB has a progression, he works that progression. He doesn't freelance. If a guy is open based on the read rules, he makes the throw. It's freelancing that gets him hitched at by fans around here.

Imagine the alternative for a moment. Tommy doesn't make the read and instead tries to guess what is open. Instead of cethan actually being open, someone jumps the route and bats it down or takes it the other way. Then people are freaking out that he didn't go to his first and proper read.

Or are you saying he should have reverse read the progression?

 

[Count 'Bility]

youre right. I dont understand fundamentals. got it. this just turned funny.

So basically, you used quotation marks around a narrative you invented out of thin air.

Sounds par for the course, as long as it results in scapegoating a player.

yes I did. in a sarcastic manner to display how god damn open the guy was and how my 8 yr old son recognized how open he was on the snap of the ball in live play on tv. One of the most disgusting displays of qb play ive ever witnessed.

Boy you really took a big jump at the obvious there, eh?

It's ok, and I get that you don't understand some fundamentals here, but when a QB has a progression, he works that progression. He doesn't freelance. If a guy is open based on the read rules, he makes the throw. It's freelancing that gets him hitched at by fans around here.

Imagine the alternative for a moment. Tommy doesn't make the read and instead tries to guess what is open. Instead of cethan actually being open, someone jumps the route and bats it down or takes it the other way. Then people are freaking out that he didn't go to his first and proper read.

Or are you saying he should have reverse read the progression?

right.

the fade was open. Cethan wasnt. you got me.

 

[cm husker]

The fade was the "right" read on that play against that coverage.

 

[Count 'Bility]

The fade was the "right" read on that play against that coverage.

ok. got it.

 

[cm husker]

Good. Glad I could provide you some insight. I'm impressed you are willing to change your view. Most people can't. Well done.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Good. Glad I could provide you some insight. I'm impressed you are willing to change your view. Most people can't. Well done.

likewise

 

[Stumpy1]

So basically, you used quotation marks around a narrative you invented out of thin air.

Sounds par for the course, as long as it results in scapegoating a player.

yes I did. in a sarcastic manner to display how god damn open the guy was and how my 8 yr old son recognized how open he was on the snap of the ball in live play on tv. One of the most disgusting displays of qb play ive ever witnessed.
Boy you really took a big jump at the obvious there, eh?

It's ok, and I get that you don't understand some fundamentals here, but when a QB has a progression, he works that progression. He doesn't freelance. If a guy is open based on the read rules, he makes the throw. It's freelancing that gets him hitched at by fans around here.

Imagine the alternative for a moment. Tommy doesn't make the read and instead tries to guess what is open. Instead of cethan actually being open, someone jumps the route and bats it down or takes it the other way. Then people are freaking out that he didn't go to his first and proper read.

Or are you saying he should have reverse read the progression?

So...You are saying he doesn't freelance but his freelancing is what gets fans all worked up over him. That makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

 

[cm husker]

To those who are able to understand the English language, it certainly does. Glad you apparently can and are pointing out the sense.

 

[desertshox]

wtf did i just read?