Eichorst Statement About Football Program

I am one of the few that think Eichorst is doing Okay. He is trying to lead all of our sports to higher ground. He has brought people on staff to help improve things. Hopefully it works out, I just despise firing anyone. Leaves a huge bruise on the program.

 
BRV920 said:
His carreer win percentage does that. There's a reason he's a .500 coach.
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Good point, the reason is he coached at one of the worst Div.1A programs in history. While he was there he got them to their first bowl game since 1965 (he took them to 9), they were ranked in the top 25 8 of the 14 seasons, and finished ranked in the top 25 4 times. His bowl record was 7-2.

How do good football fans look at Mike Riley's record at Oregon State being .500 and just ignore all that he accomplished? This guy is a good coach, i'm not saying hes our savior and the next Tom Osborne. He definitely feels a lot better than Callahan and Pelini. I love how in his second year after installing a completely different offensive and defensive system he had an almost spot on "Pelini" season (9-4, 2 Blowout Losses) and somehow he is worse than Pelini. He did that with Pelini's players, and Pelini's roster depth. Obviously there is a correlation.

 
bnilhome said:
Eichorst needs to be putting pressure on Riley to change his coordinators or we are going to see a repeat of this play in 2017 and 2018 when the schedules get much tougher.
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It won't matter who we hire as coordinators if we don't have proper depth on both lines. Bottom line is that we lose the battle in the trenches far to often and once that changes we should do significantly better in the big games.

 
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Thank you Elf for being a voice of reason. Can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh$t. Our depth is non-existent, and a month wasn't enough to get the folks healthy that needed to heal.

 
NM11046 said:
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Thank you Elf for being a voice of reason. Can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh$t. Our depth is non-existent, and a month wasn't enough to get the folks healthy that needed to heal.
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Depth is not the answer to poor tackling and bad technique. Nobody disputes that NU needs to upgrade talent, but todays game and the ones again Iowa and OSU is more than a lack of depth.

 
bnilhome said:
NM11046 said:
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Thank you Elf for being a voice of reason. Can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh$t. Our depth is non-existent, and a month wasn't enough to get the folks healthy that needed to heal.
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Depth is not the answer to poor tackling and bad technique. Nobody disputes that NU needs to upgrade talent, but todays game and the ones again Iowa and OSU is more than a lack of depth.
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Iowa...I believe we beat them if we are healthy on the O-Line and Tommy isn't beat up. Increasing our depth can fix the injury issue that exposed our lack of depth.

Ohio St. We need better athletes overall if we want to compete with them. And depth.
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I am fine with giving Langs more time, not a bad game offensively for Nebraska given their issues. Although the Offensive Line needs some serious work.

Banker on the other hand, not so sure I have much faith left in him. Given Ohio States beat down, Iowa beat down and following up the Iowa performance with this games performance is just bad. Also he doesn't seem to be that great of a defensive recruiter.

 
BoneyardHusker said:
I am fine with giving Langs more time, not a bad game offensively for Nebraska given their issues. Although the Offensive Line needs some serious work.

Banker on the other hand, not so sure I have much faith left in him. Given Ohio States beat down, Iowa beat down and following up the Iowa performance with this games performance is just bad. Also he doesn't seem to be that great of a defensive recruiter.
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I agree with you on this statement. Let's get rid of Banker this year and put DL on notice for next season.

 
bnilhome said:
NM11046 said:
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Thank you Elf for being a voice of reason. Can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh$t. Our depth is non-existent, and a month wasn't enough to get the folks healthy that needed to heal.
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Depth is not the answer to poor tackling and bad technique. Nobody disputes that NU needs to upgrade talent, but todays game and the ones again Iowa and OSU is more than a lack of depth.
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body hits, hands free tackling, failure to wrap up the ball carrier........basic football boys........Banker is responsible, our guys played like sh#t after a whole season!

 
LAblackshirt said:
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LAblackshirt said:
If you want to evaluate a coach's first 2 year performance based on just win-loss record and blowouts then you would have been the guy telling everyone Jim Harbaugh "was never going to get Stanford to a championship" after going 4-8, and 5-7.

Stanford of course has nowhere near the tradition as us, but they recruited with an average recruiting ranking of about 40 the three years prior to Harbaugh. Bo Pelini the 3 years prior to Riley had an average recruiting class of 29. Not much of a gap at all, even without considering the point that of the highest ranked players in those three classes (4*) a third of them never even played meaningful snaps for the Huskers.

All I'm trying to say is we need to give Riley more time, and honestly I think hes done well all things considered to this point. Anyone saying these first two years are evidence he can't get the job done is probably just a worried fan not being objective, which I can be at times as well.
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Before Harbaugh was hired for the 2007 season, Stanford had the #59 (2006), #25 (2005), and #60 (2004) classes, or a #48 average. They just came off a 1-11 season, where 9 of those 11 losses were blowouts. He came in and they immediately improved, and then improved again, and then improved again, and finally improved again before he was hired away. The situation Harbaugh inherited at Stanford and improvement he consistently made there is nothing like Riley at Nebraska.

And anyone who says "he's done well all things considered to this point" after a losing season and the curbstompings we've encountered is also not being objective.
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Ok that's my bad, so not 40, number 48. I used rivals and 247 in combination and made that mistake. So those 8 places represent a whirlwind of difference in your opinion? Jim Harbaugh is an elite Coach at both the college and NFL level. He took over a team with a talent level within the same ballpark as Riley did in the cupboards. He proceeded to win 4 games, then 5 games, then 8 games. He didn't surpass Mike Riley's 1st season win total until his 3rd year.

"He inherited a team with a 1 win record" you say, so is he from an objective point of view allowed a couple bad seasons? You prove my point in that sentence. It is of course relevant what the previous coach leaves behind in culture and talent, and that of course plays into Riley's losing season and blowouts. You know what Harbaugh didn't inherit Qmany? A defense that gave up an NCAA record breaking amount of yards rushing in a game, a team accustomed to it's coach receiving penalties and being broadcast throwing fits on the sideline, a team that was pulled aside by the previous coach and told the AD was a p*ssy and they should transfer.

Lets be even more objective just to crush your point a little further. Nebraska is the first Major college football program that Riley has coached at. I want to note that I don't count Oregon State due to lack of resources, and unbelievably bad tradition. When he took over at Oregon State, the beavers hadn't been to a bowl game since 1966. There are very few power 5 teams as historically bad as Oregon State. Let's take a look at some of the best coaches in the current era of college football and their record in their first 2 seasons as a head coach of a Major program.

  • Mike Riley- Nebraska- (15-10)- 60%
  • Nick Saban- Michigan State- (12-11-1)- 50%
  • Jim Harbaugh- Stanford- (9-15)- 37.5%
  • Urban Meyer- Utah- (22-2)- 92%
  • Dabo Swinney- Clemson- (13-8)- 62%

So lets see, among 4 of the best active College Football Coaches Mike Riley ranks better or about the same as 3 of them. I'm going to go ahead and say its pretty objective to say that he has done nothing in his first two years that proves he can't and wont win a championship. You can continue to pretend his performance his first two years points to the fact he has no chance, but history just doesn't agree.
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Wow, seriously? You're comparing what Saban took over at MSU, or what Harbaugh took over at Standford, to what Riley took over at Nebraska? Nebraska was a 9 win per season team with the exact same talent that Riley took over. At this point, any fewer wins for Riley than 18 is unacceptable. This season the Huskers literally lost every game against a quality opponent (with the arguable exception of Minnesota). To be sitting here at 15-11 after two years is ridiculous...and we all know that should be 14-11 since Nebraska didn't belong in a bowl at 5-7 last season.

So now Riley is sitting here at 57%. That's a huge surprise, said nobody with half a clue. He has been coaching for 30 years and has been a .500 coach the entire time. So here he sits at Nebraska as a .500 coach....okay .576 but it's right around where he has been his entire career. No surprises here.

 
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Gotta stop bringing up Bo and the reasons he was fired. Most who do care and bring it up seem to be defending Riley. Me personally, I'm not defending either of them at this point. This is about x's and o's and Riley never talks about that. I seriously question his work effort when it comes to game planning for other teams and actually coaching his team. His team.

 
California Husker said:
LAblackshirt said:
QMany said:
LAblackshirt said:
If you want to evaluate a coach's first 2 year performance based on just win-loss record and blowouts then you would have been the guy telling everyone Jim Harbaugh "was never going to get Stanford to a championship" after going 4-8, and 5-7.

Stanford of course has nowhere near the tradition as us, but they recruited with an average recruiting ranking of about 40 the three years prior to Harbaugh. Bo Pelini the 3 years prior to Riley had an average recruiting class of 29. Not much of a gap at all, even without considering the point that of the highest ranked players in those three classes (4*) a third of them never even played meaningful snaps for the Huskers.

All I'm trying to say is we need to give Riley more time, and honestly I think hes done well all things considered to this point. Anyone saying these first two years are evidence he can't get the job done is probably just a worried fan not being objective, which I can be at times as well.
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Before Harbaugh was hired for the 2007 season, Stanford had the #59 (2006), #25 (2005), and #60 (2004) classes, or a #48 average. They just came off a 1-11 season, where 9 of those 11 losses were blowouts. He came in and they immediately improved, and then improved again, and then improved again, and finally improved again before he was hired away. The situation Harbaugh inherited at Stanford and improvement he consistently made there is nothing like Riley at Nebraska.

And anyone who says "he's done well all things considered to this point" after a losing season and the curbstompings we've encountered is also not being objective.
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Ok that's my bad, so not 40, number 48. I used rivals and 247 in combination and made that mistake. So those 8 places represent a whirlwind of difference in your opinion? Jim Harbaugh is an elite Coach at both the college and NFL level. He took over a team with a talent level within the same ballpark as Riley did in the cupboards. He proceeded to win 4 games, then 5 games, then 8 games. He didn't surpass Mike Riley's 1st season win total until his 3rd year.

"He inherited a team with a 1 win record" you say, so is he from an objective point of view allowed a couple bad seasons? You prove my point in that sentence. It is of course relevant what the previous coach leaves behind in culture and talent, and that of course plays into Riley's losing season and blowouts. You know what Harbaugh didn't inherit Qmany? A defense that gave up an NCAA record breaking amount of yards rushing in a game, a team accustomed to it's coach receiving penalties and being broadcast throwing fits on the sideline, a team that was pulled aside by the previous coach and told the AD was a p*ssy and they should transfer.

Lets be even more objective just to crush your point a little further. Nebraska is the first Major college football program that Riley has coached at. I want to note that I don't count Oregon State due to lack of resources, and unbelievably bad tradition. When he took over at Oregon State, the beavers hadn't been to a bowl game since 1966. There are very few power 5 teams as historically bad as Oregon State. Let's take a look at some of the best coaches in the current era of college football and their record in their first 2 seasons as a head coach of a Major program.

  • Mike Riley- Nebraska- (15-10)- 60%
  • Nick Saban- Michigan State- (12-11-1)- 50%
  • Jim Harbaugh- Stanford- (9-15)- 37.5%
  • Urban Meyer- Utah- (22-2)- 92%
  • Dabo Swinney- Clemson- (13-8)- 62%

So lets see, among 4 of the best active College Football Coaches Mike Riley ranks better or about the same as 3 of them. I'm going to go ahead and say its pretty objective to say that he has done nothing in his first two years that proves he can't and wont win a championship. You can continue to pretend his performance his first two years points to the fact he has no chance, but history just doesn't agree.
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Wow, seriously? You're comparing what Saban took over at MSU, or what Harbaugh took over at Standford, to what Riley took over at Nebraska? Nebraska was a 9 win per season team with the exact same talent that Riley took over. At this point, any fewer wins for Riley than 18 is unacceptable. This season the Huskers literally lost every game against a quality opponent (with the arguable exception of Minnesota). To be sitting here at 15-11 after two years is ridiculous...and we all know that should be 14-11 since Nebraska didn't belong in a bowl at 5-7 last season.

So now Riley is sitting here at 57%. That's a huge surprise, said nobody with half a clue. He has been coaching for 30 years and has been a .500 coach the entire time. So here he sits at Nebraska as a .500 coach....okay .576 but it's right around where he has been his entire career. No surprises here.
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Oh yes seriously, I am comparing those two head coach's at two different programs to Mike Riley in their first two years. And I am sorry to say it but Nebraska has been nothing special for a long time so try not to be so shocked I could compare those two programs to us. There is of course an imbalance between Nebraska where Riley got them, and the other two programs no doubt about it. They are two of the greatest coach's ever however, so even with a disadvantage it seems ok to me to pit Riley against them.

Everyone here is still upset about the blowouts and I get it. As I keep saying I'm not here preaching how amazing Riley is and he is the next Saban. I'm just saying its a bit early to completely write him off as a head coach. The reactions i'm getting are that I am unreasonable, which is why I point out a few of the greatest coaches and how their first two years at a major program went. I did it to illustrate sometimes coaches need more than two years, not for any other point. Plenty of coaches have had tons of success their first two years, and we all know it.

Like it or not we are all getting another year of Riley. I would just prefer to be optimistic leading into it. I still think there's a chance for a big turn around next year.

 
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