Eichorst Statement About Football Program

[teachercd]

So if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 next season some of you want him fired? Isn't that how we got into this mess in the first place? QUIT FIRING 9 WIN COACHES! This program is circling the bowl as it is due to the expectations here at times. 9 wins isn't good enough scares away a lot of coaches and makes the job undesirable to most coaches out there. We simply can't fire him next season if that's what happens. The best thing that could happen is that he retires if that happens next season. Then you bring in a new coach for 2018's schedule. That could be brutal as well when you look at that schedule. He keeps winning 8 or 9 games a season we're stuck with him until he retires. We better hope for a good season next year because the next two after that could get ugly if they don't figure this out.

I agree with much of what you said, but don't forget about last year. It was totally unacceptable and if we see a couple more .500ish records the next two years, 2016 will be an anomaly and should have no bearing on his employment at NU.

I agree about last year being unacceptable and I'm certainly not saying we need to accept mediocrity. We are in a sticky situation though and need to let this play out some. The folks that want Riley fired now though never wanted him in the first place. Firing him now simply isn't a good option.

Well...it depends. If the end result means Chip Kelly then it is a great option. If the end result is a no-name...it is a bad option

We'd have to have someone just waiting in the wings like you say for it to be an option. Another firing with a "Hey, this is Nebraska, we'll find someone great while not paying the amount needed to get someone great" can't happen again.

I totally agree...

Scary thing is, according to SE he actually had his option in place after canning Bo...what did he say "On, I only had one guy on my list, only talked to one guy, I knew I wanted him since my time at South Carolina" or something like that.

I could only imagine who he would have lined up this time...

 

[Husker Psycho]

So if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 next season some of you want him fired? Isn't that how we got into this mess in the first place? QUIT FIRING 9 WIN COACHES! This program is circling the bowl as it is due to the expectations here at times. 9 wins isn't good enough scares away a lot of coaches and makes the job undesirable to most coaches out there. We simply can't fire him next season if that's what happens. The best thing that could happen is that he retires if that happens next season. Then you bring in a new coach for 2018's schedule. That could be brutal as well when you look at that schedule. He keeps winning 8 or 9 games a season we're stuck with him until he retires. We better hope for a good season next year because the next two after that could get ugly if they don't figure this out.

I agree with much of what you said, but don't forget about last year. It was totally unacceptable and if we see a couple more .500ish records the next two years, 2016 will be an anomaly and should have no bearing on his employment at NU.

I agree about last year being unacceptable and I'm certainly not saying we need to accept mediocrity. We are in a sticky situation though and need to let this play out some. The folks that want Riley fired now though never wanted him in the first place. Firing him now simply isn't a good option.

Well...it depends. If the end result means Chip Kelly then it is a great option. If the end result is a no-name...it is a bad option

We'd have to have someone just waiting in the wings like you say for it to be an option. Another firing with a "Hey, this is Nebraska, we'll find someone great while not paying the amount needed to get someone great" can't happen again.

It's never healthy to take on a mod (LOL)... but with all due respect... I've seen you make that statement numerous times... and it's just plain wrong.

Mike Riley's coaching History:

Mike Riley has had EIGHT head coaching jobs in his career. That's right... 8.

​He's had Six full head coaching jobs and two assistant/co head coaching jobs.

How long did he last at those jobs...? Let's see...

Winnipeg Blue Bombers = 4 years

San Antonio Riders = 2 years

USC = 4 years

Oregon State = 2 years

​San Diego Chargers = 3 years

​New Orleans Saints = 1 year

​As you can see... Mike Riley is NO Stranger to short... brief... head coaching jobs. He obviously has no problem with it. In fact, Mike Riley is a professional traveling salesman / temporary head coaching expert.

Brief tenure is part of coaching. It ALWAYS has been. These coaches are not "babes in the woods"... they are not "innocents" or naïve about any of this. They are fully aware.

Nebraska needs to find coaches who win national championships. Hanging on too long to coaches who are not performing or doing damage to the program is the worst thing we can do. Hanging on to coaches too long only allows them to do more damage and have more poor performance.

If we've once again made a mistake with the current group of coaches... then we need to end it and move on. The sooner the better so as to avoid any further damage.

Mike Riley... of all people... understands that.

 

[Saunders]

If year 3 in a coaches tenure is a rebuild year, he screwed up royally. It's the year he should be hitting his stride.

 

[Redux]

If year 3 in a coaches tenure is a rebuild year, he screwed up royally. It's the year he should be hitting his stride.

Pretty much this.

 

[cornstar]

So if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 next season some of you want him fired? Isn't that how we got into this mess in the first place? QUIT FIRING 9 WIN COACHES! This program is circling the bowl as it is due to the expectations here at times. 9 wins isn't good enough scares away a lot of coaches and makes the job undesirable to most coaches out there. We simply can't fire him next season if that's what happens. The best thing that could happen is that he retires if that happens next season. Then you bring in a new coach for 2018's schedule. That could be brutal as well when you look at that schedule. He keeps winning 8 or 9 games a season we're stuck with him until he retires. We better hope for a good season next year because the next two after that could get ugly if they don't figure this out.

I agree with much of what you said, but don't forget about last year. It was totally unacceptable and if we see a couple more .500ish records the next two years, 2016 will be an anomaly and should have no bearing on his employment at NU.

I agree about last year being unacceptable and I'm certainly not saying we need to accept mediocrity. We are in a sticky situation though and need to let this play out some. The folks that want Riley fired now though never wanted him in the first place. Firing him now simply isn't a good option.

I'm certain I haven't called for Riley to be fired at this point, and I know that he will be here next year, probably two or 3 more years barring a disastrous season next year.

 

[teachercd]

If year 3 in a coaches tenure is a rebuild year, he screwed up royally. It's the year he should be hitting his stride.

There is a bit of a coaching philosophy when you start at a new place, now, this is usually when you start at a place that was a freaking mess.

Year One: Lose Big

Year Two: Lose Close

Year Three: Win Close

Year Four: Win Big

Riley didn't really take over a mess so I agree with you. He should be hitting his stride.

 

[BIGREDIOWAN]

So if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 next season some of you want him fired? Isn't that how we got into this mess in the first place? QUIT FIRING 9 WIN COACHES! This program is circling the bowl as it is due to the expectations here at times. 9 wins isn't good enough scares away a lot of coaches and makes the job undesirable to most coaches out there. We simply can't fire him next season if that's what happens. The best thing that could happen is that he retires if that happens next season. Then you bring in a new coach for 2018's schedule. That could be brutal as well when you look at that schedule. He keeps winning 8 or 9 games a season we're stuck with him until he retires. We better hope for a good season next year because the next two after that could get ugly if they don't figure this out.

I agree with much of what you said, but don't forget about last year. It was totally unacceptable and if we see a couple more .500ish records the next two years, 2016 will be an anomaly and should have no bearing on his employment at NU.

I agree about last year being unacceptable and I'm certainly not saying we need to accept mediocrity. We are in a sticky situation though and need to let this play out some. The folks that want Riley fired now though never wanted him in the first place. Firing him now simply isn't a good option.

Well...it depends. If the end result means Chip Kelly then it is a great option. If the end result is a no-name...it is a bad option

We'd have to have someone just waiting in the wings like you say for it to be an option. Another firing with a "Hey, this is Nebraska, we'll find someone great while not paying the amount needed to get someone great" can't happen again.

It's never healthy to take on a mod (LOL)... but with all due respect... I've seen you make that statement numerous times... and it's just plain wrong.

Mike Riley's coaching History:

Mike Riley has had EIGHT head coaching jobs in his career. That's right... 8.

​He's had Six full head coaching jobs and two assistant/co head coaching jobs.

How long did he last at those jobs...? Let's see...

Winnipeg Blue Bombers = 4 years

San Antonio Riders = 2 years

USC = 4 years

Oregon State = 2 years

​San Diego Chargers = 3 years

​New Orleans Saints = 1 year

​As you can see... Mike Riley is NO Stranger to short... brief... head coaching jobs. He obviously has no problem with it. In fact, Mike Riley is a professional traveling salesman / temporary head coaching expert.

Brief tenure is part of coaching. It ALWAYS has been. These coaches are not "babes in the woods"... they are not "innocents" or naïve about any of this. They are fully aware.

Nebraska needs to find coaches who win national championships. Hanging on too long to coaches who are not performing or doing damage to the program is the worst thing we can do. Hanging on to coaches too long only allows them to do more damage and have more poor performance.

If we've once again made a mistake with the current group of coaches... then we need to end it and move on. The sooner the better so as to avoid any further damage.

Mike Riley... of all people... understands that.

Do those programs or organizations have astigmatism tied to them of firing 9 win coaches from the national perception? You and I know why these coaches are being let go, but your average person outside of Nebraska doesn't. I also get they're fully aware of what they're doing, but if they come to a program to collect a paycheck while driving that program into the ground they don't help the perception of themselves as coaches or their prospects of a better future as a head coach, at least for a few years. My comments on this aren't foreign, they've been said on this board several times by several members. Doesn't mean it's wrong, it's an opinion, it's the way I'm seeing it. We're stuck with this guy, anyone who thinks SE can hire a big time guy to come here is dreaming based off of what we've seen.......this was his "one guy".......really?!

Also, how does changing a coach again affect recruiting? What recruit wants to come to instability and not knowing whether the coach they committed to is going to be there in a few years or not? Unless you get a huge name, recruits aren't just going to commit to Nebraska anymore just because........these kids weren't alive or were infants the last time we truly mattered. The coaching staff matters more than our name at this point, we have to build that back up.

Things I've been told:

1. Nebraska has the money, they aren't afraid to spend it, that's not the problem. Obviously it's a problem because we haven't been willing to pay it yet.

2. Nebraska has the facilities in place to compete with any other program. Completely true, no issues there.

3. You can recruit to Nebraska, location isn't a problem. So far we haven't seen that to be true or not. Callahan recruited pretty well, Bo was meh, Riley has been meh. I don't want to hear about T.O. because that was a different time, once scholarship changes were put into place it hurt us from what I understand.

Those three things seem to be key to being successful on the level we want to be successful, but we aren't "all in" on those points at this point. I realize there are more things, but for simplicity purposes these three seem to be pretty huge.

 

[BIGREDIOWAN]

So if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 next season some of you want him fired? Isn't that how we got into this mess in the first place? QUIT FIRING 9 WIN COACHES! This program is circling the bowl as it is due to the expectations here at times. 9 wins isn't good enough scares away a lot of coaches and makes the job undesirable to most coaches out there. We simply can't fire him next season if that's what happens. The best thing that could happen is that he retires if that happens next season. Then you bring in a new coach for 2018's schedule. That could be brutal as well when you look at that schedule. He keeps winning 8 or 9 games a season we're stuck with him until he retires. We better hope for a good season next year because the next two after that could get ugly if they don't figure this out.

I agree with much of what you said, but don't forget about last year. It was totally unacceptable and if we see a couple more .500ish records the next two years, 2016 will be an anomaly and should have no bearing on his employment at NU.

I agree about last year being unacceptable and I'm certainly not saying we need to accept mediocrity. We are in a sticky situation though and need to let this play out some. The folks that want Riley fired now though never wanted him in the first place. Firing him now simply isn't a good option.

I'm certain I haven't called for Riley to be fired at this point, and I know that he will be here next year, probably two or 3 more years barring a disastrous season next year.

Never said you did, there are some folks that do though.

And so everyone is aware, I don't want Riley to stay here, I want a huge damn hire with the name that instantly sends shock waves across the nation. That's what we all wanted when Bo was let go and we didn't get it. I just think we may be stuck for a few more years.

 

[In the Deed the Glory]

If year 3 in a coaches tenure is a rebuild year, he screwed up royally. It's the year he should be hitting his stride.

There is a bit of a coaching philosophy when you start at a new place, now, this is usually when you start at a place that was a freaking mess.

Year One: Lose Big

Year Two: Lose Close

Year Three: Win Close

Year Four: Win Big

Riley didn't really take over a mess so I agree with you. He should be hitting his stride.

So considering he inherited a better situation than most new coaches we take out Year One: in your above example. We do that, and Riley's tenure so far matches your example. I pose the following question (without any other motive other than an answer)...

If we don't win big next year, what does that mean (if anything)?

 

[Elf]

If year 3 in a coaches tenure is a rebuild year, he screwed up royally. It's the year he should be hitting his stride.

There is a bit of a coaching philosophy when you start at a new place, now, this is usually when you start at a place that was a freaking mess.
Year One: Lose Big

Year Two: Lose Close

Year Three: Win Close

Year Four: Win Big

Riley didn't really take over a mess so I agree with you. He should be hitting his stride.

So considering he inherited a better situation than most new coaches we take out Year One: in your above example. We do that, and Riley's tenure so far matches your example. I pose the following question (without any other motive other than an answer)...

If we don't win big next year, what does that mean (if anything)?

It means we wait another year while we listen to people b!^@h about how bad we are.

 

[Redux]

So if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 next season some of you want him fired? Isn't that how we got into this mess in the first place? QUIT FIRING 9 WIN COACHES! This program is circling the bowl as it is due to the expectations here at times. 9 wins isn't good enough scares away a lot of coaches and makes the job undesirable to most coaches out there. We simply can't fire him next season if that's what happens. The best thing that could happen is that he retires if that happens next season. Then you bring in a new coach for 2018's schedule. That could be brutal as well when you look at that schedule. He keeps winning 8 or 9 games a season we're stuck with him until he retires. We better hope for a good season next year because the next two after that could get ugly if they don't figure this out.

I agree with much of what you said, but don't forget about last year. It was totally unacceptable and if we see a couple more .500ish records the next two years, 2016 will be an anomaly and should have no bearing on his employment at NU.

I agree about last year being unacceptable and I'm certainly not saying we need to accept mediocrity. We are in a sticky situation though and need to let this play out some. The folks that want Riley fired now though never wanted him in the first place. Firing him now simply isn't a good option.

I'm certain I haven't called for Riley to be fired at this point, and I know that he will be here next year, probably two or 3 more years barring a disastrous season next year.

Never said you did, there are some folks that do though.
And so everyone is aware, I don't want Riley to stay here, I want a huge damn hire with the name that instantly sends shock waves across the nation. That's what we all wanted when Bo was let go and we didn't get it. I just think we may be stuck for a few more years.

I don't think Nebraska makes that hire after Riley or even whoever comes after that. We just aren't that program. If we were ever going to do that it would have needed to come after Tom, but that just wasn't happening.

 

[Redux]

The only "shockwave" hire we could make is if Scott Frost makes UCF a serious force next year and we hire him for 2018.

Not saying I want that. But I would feel a million times better hiring Frost now that he has some actual ecperience under his belt.

 

[BIGREDIOWAN]

The only "shockwave" hire we could make is if Scott Frost makes UCF a serious force next year and we hire him for 2018.

Not saying I want that. But I would feel a million times better hiring Frost now that he has some actual ecperience under his belt.

And ultimately that may be what happens, but why aren't we that type of program? Why can't we be that type of program? I also would feel better about the Frost hire if it works out, but I'll also be surprised if it ever does.

 

[teachercd]

If year 3 in a coaches tenure is a rebuild year, he screwed up royally. It's the year he should be hitting his stride.

There is a bit of a coaching philosophy when you start at a new place, now, this is usually when you start at a place that was a freaking mess.

Year One: Lose Big

Year Two: Lose Close

Year Three: Win Close

Year Four: Win Big

Riley didn't really take over a mess so I agree with you. He should be hitting his stride.

So considering he inherited a better situation than most new coaches we take out Year One: in your above example. We do that, and Riley's tenure so far matches your example. I pose the following question (without any other motive other than an answer)...

If we don't win big next year, what does that mean (if anything)?

Well...year one was so bad so that didn't help and then year two had some beat down losses.

I think in his year three Riley needs to win big. I really do.

 

[Mavric]

The only "shockwave" hire we could make is if Scott Frost makes UCF a serious force next year and we hire him for 2018.

Not saying I want that. But I would feel a million times better hiring Frost now that he has some actual ecperience under his belt.

PJ Fleck and Chip Kelly are available.....