Denying science in the classroom

Rike Miley said:
Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell. But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture. When I was once a devout follower of Christ. God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden . That's pretty f'd up.
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I don't think so, personally.

 
Rike Miley said:
El Diaco said:
Making Chimichangas said:
knapplc said:
Religion isn't a thing that can be blamed for human actions. Religion is a human construct. It is no more to blame for bad actions than sport, nationalism, politics, love, money, or anything else humans create to explain their existence.

Religion is not inherently bad. Like a spoon or a pillow, it can be misused for bad things. But by its nature it is not bad.

Blaming religion for anything is a copout. It's humans who are to blame. Every time.
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I disagree. Blaming religion, and the people who commit violent acts in their religion's name, is warranted.
For example, Let's say I am not religious at all but I am searching for meaning. I pick up a New King James Bible, the Quran, or some other similar holy book. Further, had never really thought of, or considered, that being gay was "wrong." I always thought, meh, it's not for me but if someone is, that's their orientation. In addition, I've never thought that anyone who believes differently than I do is necessarily wrong. Then religion gets ahold of me. Suddenly, anyone who doesn't believe what I do, is "going to hell" or they are a sinner and need to repent to "their god." (Because everyone else's god is the wrong one.)

Religion, just took someone who was formerly not a bigot and twisted them into one. So yes, you can absolutely blame religion.

And yes, I am talking almost exclusively about the religious crazies who take their religion too far.
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Tell me which religion, as a base core tenet is promoting bigotry and hatred. Not some perverted offshoot or some band of crazies like Westbrook but an actual religion that pushes this. I bet if you consider it completely you will find that people are the real problem. I might be open to revising my thoughts if you can convince me this bigotry and hatred only manifests from religion and is not found in any other source.
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Over the course of this thread, I think its been concluded, by the Christian posters that everyone has their own interpretation of God and their own interpretation of the Bible. Therefore, we can conclude that there is no correct way to practice the religion. The only person on this thread saying the Bible is as and God is as, is Knapp and he is being crucified for it. The only thing people have agreed on in this thread is that Jesus is the son of God and the savior of the world. Other than that, Christianity is practiced by each person in their own interpretation.

So lets take the WBC for example since most people have heard of them. Their interpretation of the religion is Old Testament. They believe God is a hateful, vengeful and malicious, just like the God of the Old Testament. That's what they believe and that is what their pastors teach. So yes, they are promoting bigotry and hatred. And because Christianity is apparently open for interpretation, you can conclude that their way is not necessarily wrong, it is just interpreted differently from others. Instead of teaching love and forgiveness like most churches, they hold up signs and funerals telling family members their loved one is burning in hell.

So yes, I will agree with you that most churches/pastors teach the Gospel and not the OT. But if you look hard enough you can find groups other than WBC and individuals who promote hate and bigotry. Most of those people believe and practice with a literal interpretation of the bible.

Would these people be loving and productive members of society without religion? Who knows. Some would be and some would probably still be hateful pieces of sh#t. But if these children that are standing out and holding hateful signs and being taught every week to hate people were growing up in loving and productive families instead, they'd have a better chance of turning out to be amazing people with or without religion.
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I won't disagree with what your saying about religion here but I think it bears pointing out that religion, as it is being used and referred to in this thread, is a human construct. As soon as one other person interprets the intention or purpose of the Bible or an organized religion, it becomes a human caused issue. Yes, religion has done horrible things but that religion is comprised of people. So, as The Dude pointed out, the two things aren't mutually exclusive and I would say they are actually one in the same thing, people problems. The solution to me would appear to be getting to know God on a personal level. Not that that is any easy thing but it does help prevent being led astray by evil people and, if you go off the deep end all on your own, at least you've got nobody to blame but yourself.

I've never really understood how groups like WBC gain any traction or members. If a good person is really searching for answers and God, how do they allow a message of hate into their hearts and think yeah, this seems right? As everyone is so quick to point out, we do have a moral code somewhat built into us. Seems like people would have to wantonly ignore that little voice to wind up going down the wrong road. And that is also why religion can be a good thing, if it helps remind people to stay on the right path. I just think religion needs to be tempered with what we know in our hearts to be good.

 
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
Rike Miley said:
Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell. But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture. When I was once a devout follower of Christ. God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden . That's pretty f'd up.
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I don't think so, personally.
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That Im going to hell? Or that its f'd up?

 
Rike Miley said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
Rike Miley said:
Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell. But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture. When I was once a devout follower of Christ. God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden . That's pretty f'd up.
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I don't think so, personally.
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That Im going to hell? Or that its f'd up?
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Oh you're going to hell all right, quit trying to get out of it on a technicality
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Landlord can't save you now.

/jk

 
El Diaco said:
Rike Miley said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
Rike Miley said:
Good, Im glad people who misunderstand the Bible will not be damned to hell. But someone like me, never committed a crime, work in healthcare helping people for a living and live my life by the golden rule will be damned to hell for an eternity of torture. When I was once a devout follower of Christ. God wanted to test my faith so he planted all these questions in my head then he didn't help me find the answers, and now Im going to hell with people such as Hitler, Castro and Osama Bin Laden . That's pretty f'd up.
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I don't think so, personally.
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That Im going to hell? Or that its f'd up?
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Oh you're going to hell all right, quit trying to get out of it on a technicality
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Landlord can't save you now.

/jk
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