Douchebag Thread for Politics & Religion Spill Over

[Saunders]

This is turning into an episode of Full House.

 

[Redux]

Hey!! I can hear you!

 

[NUance]

So if someone has a religious experience in their life and they try to tell others what happened and explain that experience they are holier than thou? Or should I have just kept it to myself?

I guess I'm a little different than that when it comes to message board people. If someone on this board had an experience in something interesting, I'd want to hear about it. If Redux encountered a ghost when he was examining a haunted house, I'd want to hear about it. Depending on who the poster was I might, or might not, believe them. But if someone like Redux who has a fairly long and good track record on this board relayed an experience like that I'd believe that *something* had happened to him.

As far as being called holier than thou. Eh, I've been called worse.

 

[Redux]

Someone with your respected standing should be able to convey a personal experience without being labeled etc.

But take it from me, if someone personally believes different to what your experience would imply, good luck getting anything but eye roll feedback.

In my field of paranormal, personal experience is the holy grail of activity. We WANT to hear things, see things, feel things. Problem is we can't prove them, and that's the whole purpose of what I do. Catching something on film or audio to validate that experience is icing on the cake. The problem there then becomes what people are willing to accept and you yourself being able to understand why they are leery of it.

 

[Enhance]

So if someone has a religious experience in their life and they try to tell others what happened and explain that experience they are holier than thou? Or should I have just kept it to myself?

I have no frame of reference to what you're referring to, as a disclaimer.

However, reaction usually comes down to how the experience is conveyed. Significant gray areas can exist between how you perceive your message and how others receive it. This is particularly true in message boards or mediums where you're unable to see the speakers mannerisms and hear their inflections.

 

[NUance]

So if someone has a religious experience in their life and they try to tell others what happened and explain that experience they are holier than thou? Or should I have just kept it to myself?

I have no frame of reference to what you're referring to, as a disclaimer.

However, reaction usually comes down to how the experience is conveyed. Significant gray areas can exist between how you perceive your message and how others receive it. This is particularly true in message boards or mediums where you're unable to see the speakers mannerisms and hear their inflections.

I was referring to this thread from about three years ago: LINK If you can believe me when I tell you about that experience, then you'll understand where I'm coming from. But I get the impression that a lot of folks on HB, when they read that post, they either think that I'm exaggerating the experience, or was somehow hypnotized, or mistaken, or maybe just making the whole thing up. And for those people, I come off sounding preachy or holier than thou. Whatever.

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Good point about message boards not conveying mannerisms and such. +1

 

[teachercd]

So if someone has a religious experience in their life and they try to tell others what happened and explain that experience they are holier than thou? Or should I have just kept it to myself?

I have no frame of reference to what you're referring to, as a disclaimer.

However, reaction usually comes down to how the experience is conveyed. Significant gray areas can exist between how you perceive your message and how others receive it. This is particularly true in message boards or mediums where you're unable to see the speakers mannerisms and hear their inflections.

I was referring to this thread from about three years ago: LINK If you can believe me when I tell you about that experience, then you'll understand where I'm coming from. But I get the impression that a lot of folks on HB, when they read that post, they either think that I'm exaggerating the experience, or was somehow hypnotized, or mistaken, or maybe just making the whole thing up. And for those people, I come off sounding preachy or holier than thou. Whatever.

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Good point about message boards not conveying mannerisms and such. +1

The people that b!^@h about you sounding preachy are usually the ones that preach the most. We all know how that goes.

 

[Enhance]

So if someone has a religious experience in their life and they try to tell others what happened and explain that experience they are holier than thou? Or should I have just kept it to myself?

I have no frame of reference to what you're referring to, as a disclaimer.

However, reaction usually comes down to how the experience is conveyed. Significant gray areas can exist between how you perceive your message and how others receive it. This is particularly true in message boards or mediums where you're unable to see the speakers mannerisms and hear their inflections.

I was referring to this thread from about three years ago: LINK If you can believe me when I tell you about that experience, then you'll understand where I'm coming from. But I get the impression that a lot of folks on HB, when they read that post, they either think that I'm exaggerating the experience, or was somehow hypnotized, or mistaken, or maybe just making the whole thing up. And for those people, I come off sounding preachy or holier than thou. Whatever.

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Good point about message boards not conveying mannerisms and such. +1

I believe you believe the experience, and that's all that matters (I'm a practicing Lutheran, by the way).

I remember that thread now. I think 98% of your post was fair until the last two lines.

I feel sorry for people who are adamant atheists. They are going down the wrong path.

Religion is (obviously) one of the most controversial topics in the world, so I can easily see why some people would interpret this is a "holier than thou" attitude.

 

[NUance]

I believe you believe the experience, and that's all that matters (I'm a practicing Lutheran, by the way).

I remember that thread now. I think 98% of your post was fair until the last two lines.

I feel sorry for people who are adamant atheists. They are going down the wrong path.

Religion is (obviously) one of the most controversial topics in the world, so I can easily see why some people would interpret this is a "holier than thou" attitude.

If you can believe that I believe my experience was true, then I'd say it's a similar situation to the first doctor who discovered the link between cigarettes and cancer back in the 1940s. I'm sure he told all his friends and relatives and everyone he knew about the cancer link (and probably many people he didn't know). No doubt some of them probably didn't believe him, and just didn't want to hear what he was saying. (Smoking is fun!) And I'm sure the cancer doctor felt sorry that they didn't believe him.

 

[knapplc]

I believe your experience was true. That experience is no different than the same things experienced by millions of people all over the world, whether they are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan... whatever religion they feel is real. The Muslim is no less convinced that Allah is real than you are convinced the Christian god is real.

You no more want to hear that there is no god and this is all just a fantasy than non-religious people want to hear about your god. You are no more in the right by proselytizing to an atheist than they are telling you that your experience and your god are fake. You're no more "holier than thou" than I am "annoying" because you don't like when I tell you your god is fake. But don't pretend you're open to all views after complaining about my "constant disrespect" for your fake god.

 

[DrunkOffPunch]

Pretty annoying when anyone says God is fake/real. No fact behind that statement. You're either a believer or a nonbeliever, and that's fine.

 

[knapplc]

Which god are you referring to?

Adonis

Ama-no-Uzume

Amaterasu-ō-mi-kami

Amatsu-Mikaboshi

Ame-no-Koyane

Ammit

Amun

Amunet

Anhur

Anput

Anubis

Anuket

Aphrodite

Apis

Apollo

Apophis

Ares

Artemis

Aten

Athena

Babi

Baldur

Bast /

Bastet

Bes

Borr

Bragi

Búri

Chloris

Dagr

Dellingr

Dionysus

Eir

Elli

Eos

Ēostre

Forseti

Freyja

Freyr

Frigg

Fujin

Fulla

Geb

Gefjun

Gengen-Wer

Hachiman

Hades

Hapi

Harmonia

Hathor

Heimdall

Heket

Hel

Hephaestus

Hera

Hermes

Hermóðr

Hlín

Höðr

Hœnir

Horus

Iðunn

Inari

Isis

Izanagi

Izanami

Jörð

Kebechet

Khepri

Khnum

Khonsu

Konohanasakuya-hime

Kuk

Kvasir

Lofn

Loki

Ma'at

Maahes

Mafdet

Magni

Máni

Menhit

Mímir

Nanna

Nekhbet

Nephthys

Nerthus

Nike

Ninigi-no-Mikoto

Njord

Nótt

Nut

Odin

Ohoyamatsumi

Osiris

Pakhet

Poseidon

Ptah

Qebui

Qetesh

Ra

Raet-Tawy

Raijin

Rán

Ryūjin

Sága

Sarutahiko Ohkami

Seker

Sekhmet

Selene

Selket

Seshat

Set

Shu

Sif

Sjöfn

Skadi

Snotra

Sobek

Sól (Sunna)

Sopdu

Susanoo-no-mikoto

Tawaret

Tefnut

Tenjin

Thor

Thoth

Thrud

Toyotama-hime

Tsukuyomi-no-Mikoto

Tyr

Uke Mochi

Ull

Váli

Vár

Vé

Vidar

Vör

Wadj-wer

Wadjet

Yggdrasil

Zeus

??????

 

[Enhance]

I believe you believe the experience, and that's all that matters (I'm a practicing Lutheran, by the way).

I remember that thread now. I think 98% of your post was fair until the last two lines.

I feel sorry for people who are adamant atheists. They are going down the wrong path.

Religion is (obviously) one of the most controversial topics in the world, so I can easily see why some people would interpret this is a "holier than thou" attitude.

If you can believe that I believe my experience was true, then I'd say it's a similar situation to the first doctor who discovered the link between cigarettes and cancer back in the 1940s. I'm sure he told all his friends and relatives and everyone he knew about the cancer link (and probably many people he didn't know). No doubt some of them probably didn't believe him, and just didn't want to hear what he was saying. (Smoking is fun!) And I'm sure the cancer doctor felt sorry that they didn't believe him.

But the belief in the experience is not, in my opinion, the crux of the issue. The more relevant concern is the way that experience is shared and offered to others, particularly those who may disagree with your beliefs (of which there are millions of people, from Atheists to Hinduists). Who is right and who is wrong? None of us can say. Would you tell a Jew or a Buddhist that they're wrong and you feel sorry for them?

 

[GSG]

Bastet

I'll take this crazy cat lady

 

[Enhance]

Where's the flying spaghetti monster in your list, knapplc? That's BS!