Good job locking the only discussion on sexism

Mavric said:
Being told that things can be reported is not the same thing as 'just report things you don't like'.  That's what probably 80% of the reports about this topic amounted to.  The reports didn't just start in the last 24 hours.  Those were only the latest ones.  There have been 18 reports from this topic.
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Just wanted to add, you're making a lot of assumptions yourself. This is just one of many. Teach got suspended for trolling, but you assume 80% of the reports were people just reporting the things they don't like.

And wow, 18, that's sure a heck of a lot of reports.

a) None of those came before Enhance told people to submit reprots.

b) 4-6 of those were from me about teach. 2 were from me about Enhance's last post where he gave no explanation whatsoever for locking a topic and no one who's commented about it thinks it should have been. That's 6-8 from me. There were surely other reports about teach there as well, and maybe reports from teach.

You're being completely manipulated by a troll and then making a whole bunch of stuff up that you think happened in a topic you never looked at.

The only things that happened were Enhance got some complaints via PM and some reports, many of which were about a troll who got suspended over it, so clearly those reports were warranted. But teach does that everywhere, the reports just happened in that topic.

The only big assumption I'm making is one that's intuitively obvious - almost none of those reports would have happened if a mod hadn't posted in the thread telling people to submit reports.

So the only topic on the forum about sexism is locked and based on how docile it was, I have no conclusion to make but that I'm not allowed to talk about it.

 
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FWIW, I submitted no reports, complaints or PM’s.

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I'm curious to see "the thread was a cluster" bit fleshed out more, if only to understand the interpretation of the thread.

Private complaints about the thread were alluded to before, but since that's been dismissed as the reasoning behind it, then what's the objective, publicly obvious picture of what went wrong? Is it that it went off topic, despite Enhance's point that he also felt the racism discussion was absolutely germane?

If it doesn't go beyond teach's trolling, then does one guy have the power to turn the entire thread into a cluster? To create the impression that there was "bad behavior" all around? Because his long, long history of gender issues-baiting aside, all there was was a spirited but ultimately respectful discussion between BB, Moiraine, Landlord, and myself, as I think all of us would individually attest to. I seem to recall the final posts of the night being BB & I thanking each other for the discussion.

Or, are there more posts or behaviors deserving of reprobation that haven't been mentioned yet specifically? If that thread was full of this, then given that the evidence is there, please do just highlight it. From the public comments here, it seems that these points aren't plain to quite a few people.

 
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knapplc said:
Please start another topic about sexism and see if it gets locked. If it does, that'll be your unequivocal proof that HuskerBoard won't tolerate such threads.
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I'd prefer to continue the perfectly fine one we were having. And now people know they can just piss and moan to a mod about how there shouldn't be a topic about sexism or troll the topic to get it shut down.

On top of that, no mod has said they'll react any differently when we have another docile topic about sexism.

 
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Mavric said:
 And that is especially true in the P&R forum.  I would love to contribute more to those discussions.  But I spend way to much time on here anyway and the time every few months when I make the mistake of trying to have a discussion there quickly reminds me that most people aren't really there for the discussion.  They are only there to tell the other side how wrong they are.  Even if they're doing it in the nicest way possible.  So it's not worth my time.  Kudos to those of you who care enough to try to have a discussion but then don't be surprised if there are some off-the-wall crazies who are on the other side of the issue.  Spending your time worrying about that is worse than non-productive.
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On one hand, we're encouraged to report posts that we feel violate rules. In order to self regulate and keep this a good place. On the other hand, I guess it seems the mods assume when we report posts that we're getting butthurt or personally offended or something?

This still doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. It also wouldn't have been a thing without the lynchpin of teach still being a member on huskerboard.

 
I have no dog in this fight, but I would think it may help somewhat if those outraged considered the Mods did this to prevent a bigger problem from forming which was an inevitability.  Lesser of two evils.

 
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I have no dog in this fight, but I would think it may help somewhat if those outraged considered the Mods did this to prevent a bigger problem from forming which was an inevitability.  Lesser of two evils.
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That might be the case with other topics, but this one had been going on for quite awhile. The first 5 pages were much more contentious than the last ones but they were still fine.

 
I'm a bit late to the party, but since I'm the other gal here with Moiraine I feel an obligation to add my two cents.  

I think the entire episode has spiraled into something at this point that nobody wanted or necessarily expected.  I ask that you guys try to understand the perspective of a woman on this board.  We all spend lots of time here because we have interest in the Huskers.  We are all savvy, and opinionated and engaged.  But I spent my first 6 months here purposely not disclosing the fact that I was a woman, taking caution to post as some sort of bland non being being.  Why?  Because I've spent my entire life having to prove that my fb knowledge is equal to a males, that sometimes I know more - that me talking fb isn't a circus act.  It was refreshing to be taken at face value.  I can't get equal footing immediately in person when I have discussions, but I can when we were online and you all didn't know I was a woman.  When I finally did say it out loud to a few posters in certain topics where we had some deep back and forths, but it still took me another few months to change it on my profile.  And you know what happened?  Someone (don't remember who and it doesn't matter) posted in their daily update, "Did you guys know NM was a chick?"  Quickly followed by silly comments about who was going to "jump all over that" that didn't bother me, but it plays into this story.   

We spend our entire lives trying to be part of groups as equals.  We also spend our entire lives being put down in favor of a male, or having people shocked that we are a woman.  Can't tell you the number of times in a room the man who repeats my comments gets commended.  How many times I have to beg to accompany my colleagues to dinner because I'm the only woman and they're going to watch baseball and drink beer and they don't think I'd be interested or, they think they'll have to act differently because I'm there.  How many times I've had to really think "do I want to bring this up on HB, and will it be poo-pooed" because I'm a woman.  How many times we hear the "I never would have expected that coming from you/wow, you really do know xyz/I didn't think you'd be interested in xyz/it's not a problem why do women/blacks/homosexuals/etc say it is?"

I was travelling and not able to keep up with the thread until the weekend and it was locked when I got home.  I was disappointed because it was a good discussion, I felt it was pretty cordial or at least not as heated as others I've witnessed or been a part of.  But more than anything I felt it was a topic that needed discussing, and this board with its man dominant population was a very good place to have it.  

I'm not surprised Teach is taking a break, that's been long overdue - but his behavior was what it always is, why it took this topic to get him that attention I don't know.  I will say I've benefitted from a deleted post in the past.  I got into a heated arguement with a poster (that I now block and refuse to engage with) - the discussion was in line with this same topic.  My response to one of his comments included calling him a misogynist and asking something catty about how his wife and daughters felt about it.  He hit right back - and within an hour or so both of our posts were removed and everyone on the thread was reminded to pull it together and not to attack each other.  At first I was upset (my comments were true, I was proud of them and I wanted the world to see them), but after a bit I was grateful I had an assist from a generous moderator and that the group got reigned in.  I wish that had happened here.

I know you Mods volunteer your time and we all benefit from it - you have a tough job and you don't get thanked enough.  I also recognize there have to be rules and that the interpretation of them is fluid and may change from mod to mod and from topic to topic.  I just ask that you understand why there is sensitivity to this one (especially by Moiraine who was active the entire discussion) in particular having such a dramatic step taken on it.

So from my perspective, the specific reasons for why the thread got locked aren't all that important.  My response to seeing it locked and moved was "of course it was".  And that's very sad.

I hope that we're able to start the discussion again (or maybe open it up) in the public forum.  

 
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I think NM said it a lot better than I have. It felt like a slap in the face.

I don't think it was sexist to close it or that it was closed because of the subject, but I don't think the mods put themselves in the shoes of a woman on this forum before it was closed. On top of that they didn't put much importance on it.

The topic seemed unworthy of moderating, especially when combined with the added effect of people starting to report teach at the same time. I was already thinking of starting to report him more often all over the board before this particular topic. Enhance's post was the last thing that made me decide to do start doing it. It was a coincidence that it was in this topic.

 
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In spite of what happened with this thread, I've no doubt that topics about sexism will not generally get locked  :thumbs  -- I agree with knapplc. 

 
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