Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Making Chimichangas

Making Chimichangas

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I absolutely LOVE this woman!!!!

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This ^^^^ is Ocasio-Cortez's platform.

Cortez's platform is, according to Trump's chief apologist, and propagandist Sean Hannity, a "dangerous" and "scary" platform.  

Stop and think about that for a moment: Sean Hannity (and probably most conservatives) think that people having a job, health care, a home, college or trade school education for their kids, and people having the basic necessities....that's a "dangerous" and "scary" platform.

What kind of selfish, self-serving, uncaring monster does someone have to be to say, "Nope, not everyone deserves a job, a home, and healthcare."  

 
I don't know any of the specifics of how she may go about satisfying all those platform bullet points but, playing devil's advocate, it could indeed be scary depending. Sure most of that sounds pretty nice on the surface but bringing them to fruition could be the biggest shift towards pure socialism this country has ever seen. She could be well intentioned or she could be a hard left loon. If concern about the details of possible radical change like this makes me an uncaring monster so be it.

 
Making Chimichangas said:
Stop and think about that for a moment: Sean Hannity (and probably most conservatives) think that people having a job, health care, a home, college or trade school education for their kids, and people having the basic necessities....that's a "dangerous" and "scary" platform.
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Sean Hannity can get bent, but there are plenty of reasonable conservatives that don't think those things are dangerous and scary, but think that giving the federal government carte blanche control over education, health, property, money, and weapons is dangerous. And I'd probably agree with them, at least in theory.

I do like Cortez though. Talk about an amazing underdog story and a refreshing change of pace.

 
When conservatives see stuff like this, I imagine their reaction goes something like this:

Conservatives: [Putting both hands on their cheeks and crying out in sheer terror/horror] BUT WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THIS?????????

All of Ocasio-Cortez's goals can be achieved without government completely taking over the entire economy.  And you know what, even if government does take over the entire economy, it wouldn't be any worse than the corporate welfare state, ran by crony capitalists, and a class of corrupt billionaire oligarchs that we have now.

Here's the one thing that just sticks in my craw: In this country, a rich person demands to be even richer.  They make millions to billions in profit every year, and continually want to make ever increasing amounts of money--and nobody blinks.

But when the people who are struggling financially demand to make a wage they can live on...the crooked and corrupt capitalists who benefit from this rigged system--they lose their minds.

Jeff Bezos is a perfect example...he has an estimated personal net worth of 143 billion dollars.

Greed Of The Oligarchs

Analysts are expecting Amazon to become the world's first trillion dollar company.

Amazon The First Trillion Dollar Company

And yet, there are people who work for Amazon who need food stamps because of how little they earn.

Unconscionable

Now in fairness....

Snopes

Here is the point: Jeff Bezos is not hurting for money.  He, along with all his other biillionaire cronies, could more than afford to pay people wages they can live on.

And regarding Sean Hannity, that a*hole makes 36 million a year.  He makes more money in one year than probably 80% of Americans will earn or see in 10 lifetimes.  But right, those at the top of the economic ladder "can't afford" to pay us nobodies at the bottom a wage or salary we can actually live on.





 





 





 





 




 
Making Chimichangas said:
When conservatives see stuff like this, I imagine their reaction goes something like this:

Conservatives: [Putting both hands on their cheeks and crying out in sheer terror/horror] BUT WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THIS?????????

All of Ocasio-Cortez's goals can be achieved without government completely taking over the entire economy.  And you know what, even if government does take over the entire economy, it wouldn't be any worse than the corporate welfare state, ran by crony capitalists, and a class of corrupt billionaire oligarchs that we have now.

Here's the one thing that just sticks in my craw: In this country, a rich person demands to be even richer.  They make millions to billions in profit every year, and continually want to make ever increasing amounts of money--and nobody blinks.

But when the people who are struggling financially demand to make a wage they can live on...the crooked and corrupt capitalists who benefit from this rigged system--they lose their minds.

Jeff Bezos is a perfect example...he has an estimated personal net worth of 143 billion dollars.

Greed Of The Oligarchs

Analysts are expecting Amazon to become the world's first trillion dollar company.

Amazon The First Trillion Dollar Company

And yet, there are people who work for Amazon who need food stamps because of how little they earn.

Unconscionable

Now in fairness....

Snopes

Here is the point: Jeff Bezos is not hurting for money.  He, along with all his other biillionaire cronies, could more than afford to pay people wages they can live on.

And regarding Sean Hannity, that a*hole makes 36 million a year.  He makes more money in one year than probably 80% of Americans will earn or see in 10 lifetimes.  But right, those at the top of the economic ladder "can't afford" to pay us nobodies at the bottom a wage or salary we can actually live on.

 

 

 

 
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And you are aware of how Bezos spends his dollars politically I assume?

 
TheSker said:
And you are aware of how Bezos spends his dollars politically I assume?
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That's not the point.  Did you click on, and read, any of the links I provided?

However, since you asked: I would imagine that Jeff Bezos, along with every other super rich person, spends his money politically on furthering the corporate welfare state and to further enrich himself (themselves) at taxpayers expense.  

 
Comfortably Numb said:
I don't know any of the specifics of how she may go about satisfying all those platform bullet points but, playing devil's advocate, it could indeed be scary depending. Sure most of that sounds pretty nice on the surface but bringing them to fruition could be the biggest shift towards pure socialism this country has ever seen. She could be well intentioned or she could be a hard left loon. If concern about the details of possible radical change like this makes me an uncaring monster so be it.
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Go to YouTube and actually listen to what she has to say.  She is an articulate, smart, hard-working person who sincerely wants to make everyone's life (especially those at the bottom of the financial ladder) better. 

Conservatives will talk about Cortez and throw out the "S" word (socialism) as a perjorative and derogatory term.  But all they're really doing is protecting a corrupt system, that they built, that mostly just benefits those at the top.

 
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Making Chimichangas said:
Go to YouTube and actually listen to what she has to say.  She is an articulate, smart, hard-working person who sincerely wants to make everyone's life (especially those at the bottom of the financial ladder) better. 

Conservatives will talk about Cortez and throw out the "S" word (socialism) as a perjorative and derogatory term.  But all they're really doing is protecting a corrupt system, that they built, that mostly just benefits those at the top.
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Well let’s be clear. Our people and our government and our politicians (both parties) built the system we have. It’s not just conservatives and it’s not just the rather recent hard right republicans responsible for where we find ourselves. There is plenty to blame them for but let’s not rewrite history. These situations always benefit the out of power party. They can throw out all these grandiose ideas and plans and they sound great but no matter who is in power nothing much changes and they surely never change as drastically as her platform would indicate.

As far as socialism as a perjorative and derogatory term....

1-Medicare for all (Healthcare)

2-Housing as a human right (Housing)

3-Federal jobs guarantee (Jobs)

4-Higher education for all (Education)

I will asssume all 4 of these guaranteed to each and every citizen regardless their level of input into making the system work. If you can’t see how this drives the car off the cliff I’ll never be able to explain it to you. We’ve already got about 50% of our people relying on the other 50% for their day to day existence. You kick all 4 of these into high gear and watch what happens. I’m gonna choose to sit on my butt and let you provide for me. I mean this is all guaranteed by our government, right? Where is the incentive for anyone to try to get ahead, to contribute? Where do the funds come from to pay for this utopia? Sure we can cut back on military, reign in the wealth accumulation of the top 5% etc, but do you really think that is going to pay for some pipe dream free ride society? If I know only one thing it is that this will never ever in a million years work. Hell the limited socialism we currently have isn’t even working or sustainable. Hannity and the far right may very well use socialism as a scare phrase or derogatory term but please show me the country or society where these 4 things are provided as guarantees and have also shown sustainability long term. It doesn’t exist because by its very nature is so ludicrous that no reasonable person that goes even one step beyond the talking point can make it work.This is like Bernie Sanders on steroids. It’s not a scare tactic when the reality of it is actually that scary. When I know something can never be made to work, yes I’m opposed to it.

Now as far as Medicare or single payer healthcare for all. I could get behind that because our current system is so broken, so unsustainable and spiraling further out of control by the minute, something absolutely needs to be done about it. So maybe I’m not a complete monster....

edit- Disclaimer, maybe I’ve interpreted her platform bullet points in the most extreme sense. Maybe she has some limited ideas that aren’t so extreme. Like I said earlier I haven’t delved into any of her specifics but based on the compiled list I will assume it is much more radical than I am remotely comfortable with.

 
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TheSker said:
So poverty doesn't exist in socialized countries?
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So poverty exists, and we should just ignore it? 

Further, we should ignore how rich people lobby Congress to get tax breaks for their company?  

It is literally the second biggest scam in human history:

Rich Person: If you give me tax credits and no income taxe on my company, I'll create X number of jobs that'll pay millions in taxable income revenue.

Society: Yeah that sounds reasonable.

[When the actual tax revenue collected falls well short of what was promised.]

Society: Hey rich person, we're going to need to tax your income and corporation.

Rich Person: If you do that, I'll move my company to another city or state.  In fact, if you want me to keep these jobs here, I'll need even more tax breaks.

Society: Well we don't want this city to lose those jobs, so okay, here's even more money from the taxpayers.

Rinse and repeat.

And all through this, those at the top get richer and richer, while those at the bottom fall further and further behind.

 
@Comfortably Numb, I should have stated this from the outset...

My view is that things Ocasio-Cortez is advocating for should only apply to those who are willing to work.

I fully agree that people shouldn't be rewarded for being lazy or thinking they're too good to work.

It is, in my mind, a basic social contract: If you're willing to work full-time, then yes you deserve a wage you can adequately live on.

And I notice, with some dismay, that people are conveniently ignoring the fact that rich people demand to make ever more money and that is fine.  But people at the bottom demand a wage they can live on...and somehow that's not sustainable or possible.  But rich people making more money every year is totally acceptable and sustainable.  /sarcasm

 
Making Chimichangas said:
@Comfortably Numb, I should have stated this from the outset...

My view is that things Ocasio-Cortez is advocating for should only apply to those who are willing to work.

I fully agree that people shouldn't be rewarded for being lazy or thinking they're too good to work.

It is, in my mind, a basic social contract: If you're willing to work full-time, then yes you deserve a wage you can adequately live on.

And I notice, with some dismay, that people are conveniently ignoring the fact that rich people demand to make ever more money and that is fine.  But people at the bottom demand a wage they can live on...and somehow that's not sustainable or possible.  But rich people making more money every year is totally acceptable and sustainable.  /sarcasm
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Im not okay with the accumulation of wealth at the very top. But I’m equally not okay with guaranteeing these benefits to those who don’t contribute. If you can’t contribute that is one thing but I’ve seen too much to think too many people in this country won’t take the path of least resistance. Sad but true fact.

 
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