The Village of the "Banned"

I think, aside from the Mods, just about everyone at one time or another has told MC to chill out based on posts in P&R.  And the Mods have had to step in a couple times. 

I feel like if you've been warned a couple times about specific behavior, maybe it's not a good thing to toe the line a third time. 

Hard to see this as anything other than a self-inflicted wound.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 
I don't disagree with any of the suspension, or the ban if the mods saw it that way. I think we've all seen the history there. Knap's right, I just saw it a little different at first.

 
teachercd said:
Chimi said he was transitioning from male to female.
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Not that it really matters practically speaking but I'm fairly certain she identified as female and requested many times to be referred to as she/her. 

Agreed with all of the above, I have several times tried to show her how her rhetoric wasn't helpful and she just couldn't ever figure it out. It's sad, because I don't doubt she's lived a life with tons of trauma and that obviously has a big impact, but she's responsible for her own decisions.

 
So he was a he, that decided he wanted to be called a she.  Got it.

Life is hard, harder for some than others.  That still never gives an individual a right to behave by a different set of standards.  That goes for race, gender, imaginary gender and sexuality.

 
Redux said:
So he was a he, that decided he wanted to be called a she.  Got it.

Life is hard, harder for some than others.  That still never gives an individual a right to behave by a different set of standards.  That goes for race, gender, imaginary gender and sexuality.
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It's not hard to just be respectful of people's simple requests. It's not hard to treat people with common courtesy and dignity. If you knew someone with a goofy first name and they really didn't like it and always asked everyone not to refer to them by their first name but by their middle name or by a nickname, you would oblige. Especially in the case of transgender people you never met before they transitioned that make a request to be referred to in a certain, very easy and little effort causing way. She asked to be referred to as a she, and you never knew her as a he, so why be a f#&%ing a$$h@!e about it? 

As far as your second lines, everyone here agrees with you. That's why she was banned. Except gender and imaginary gender are... the same thing. 

 
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But they aren't, we aren't talking about a silly name that people make fun of (and please, I'm plenty experienced on that front). We are talking about an adult pretending their biology isn't what it is.  We are talking about someone who expects others to ignore science and pretend to their wishes.  In no instance am I going to go out of my way in the real world to make that person feel like s#!t, but I also shouldn't have to cater to them or pretend to appease them.  If someone is gay or straight or black or white or cut their genitals off and wears make up but is cordial to me I will be cordial to them.  That's life, treat others how you want to be treated.  Eye roll me all you want, there are countless others here that think the same thing but don't wanna say it out loud in fear of the hate mob coming down on them.  Biology is biology, sorry.

 
For the record I don't care one way or the other if someone decides to pretend to be a man or woman or a f#&%in dinosaur.  Do whatever makes you happy in life, we only get one, as long as it doesn't ruin others lives.  People choosing to be a different gender has no effect on me, more power to them.  But if they get offended because I mistakenly refer to them as one of the two accepted core genders because my eyes work, I'm now an a$$h@!e?  No, that's silly.  Up until a couple years ago there were two genders, now there was a medical BREAKTHEOUGH and we have 58?  Man that evolution is crazy cray!  But really, it's an issue of "well they wanna be something else so cater to them, you can know otherwise just don't say it out loud".

 
Redux said:
For the record I don't care one way or the other if someone decides to pretend to be a man or woman or a f#&%in dinosaur.  Do whatever makes you happy in life, we only get one, as long as it doesn't ruin others lives.  People choosing to be a different gender has no effect on me, more power to them.  But if they get offended because I mistakenly refer to them as one of the two accepted core genders because my eyes work, I'm now an a$$h@!e?  No, that's silly.  Up until a couple years ago there were two genders, now there was a medical BREAKTHEOUGH and we have 58?  Man that evolution is crazy cray!  But really, it's an issue of "well they wanna be something else so cater to them, you can know otherwise just don't say it out loud".
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@Landlord isn’t talking about mistakenly calling someone by the wrong pronoun than what they prefer. That isn’t a problem at all.

He’s talking about purposely calling someone who says they prefer female pronouncs “he”/“him” just to be an a$$h@!e after you already know her preference.

You’ve alrady stated you wouldn’t do that so it seems like you’re both on the same page.

The rest of this is a tangent and not directly a response to you. I am personally skeptical about the whole thing. But I am not in their shoes so who am I to tell them they’re wrong about who they are? As long as people aren’t hurting someone I don’t care and I will treat them like anyone else.

That stated I think a lot of it is social. There are certain social expectations for how men and women should act, look, and dress differently that have nothing to do with biological sex. It doesn’t necessarily mean you are a woman if you were born male and want to wear pink dresses and high heels and love to sing showtunes. None of those things is attached to being biologically female. We’ve just created those things. They’re social constructs. Just like wearing pants and having short hair and spitting and not holding farts in aren’t attached to being biologically male. (I don’t understand the spitting though, so maybe I’m wrong. I just don’t get it).

I believe there has to be at least some % of transgender people who wouldn’t think they were born the wrong sex without social pressures that make them feel like they are atypical. I grew up as a tomboy and never had any interest in wearing dresses/skirts or playing with dolls except for the male cabbage patch doll I had that had a football uniform I could dress him in, so I can relate to feeling a little out of place and “weird” compared to the other girls. Which is why I really don’t think people younger than 18 should be allowed to start transitioning.

On MC, I liked her most of the time but she could be very irrational/illogical especially about politics and fly off the handle. When she was emotionally invested in the topic she didn’t seem to be able to think straight. 

 
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No, I'm not the type to go out of my way to offend someone.  But I'm also not the type to go out of my way to cater to someone's illusions because if I don't that makes me an a$$h@!e.  If he is a he that wants to identify as a she and he/she made that clear, me making mention of how that works as I did above isn't me being a f#&%ing a$$h@!e.  It's acknowledging the situation.  And saying he/she shouldn't be offensive either if he/she is transitioning, it's an accurate way to refer to them whether they or others like it.  I'm short for a guy, people make mention of that.  Is it annoying? Yeah, but I can't do anything about it.  It's biology.  If I had the South Park Negroplasty to make myself taller, then yeah in appearance I'm taller. But I'm not really.

If adults want to pretend, then again more power to them.  This bulls#!t about people brainwashing their kids into choosing some mythological gender from a pop up book when they haven't even hit puberty....that's another thing altogether and probably why I don't like humoring people in these scenarios.

 
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