The Angry Violent Left

Guy Chamberlin said:
Here's a test for those who think the left is acting unhinged:

Donald Trump wins the popular vote. But Hillary Clinton wins the Presidency thanks to the electoral college.

Every U.S. intelligence agency confirms that Russia meddled in the U.S. election on behalf of Hillary Clinton. Vladimir Putin clearly believed that Hillary Clinton would be better for Russia.

Hillary Clinton responds by firing the FBI director and undermining her own intelligence community. She stands next to Vladimir Putin, assuring the world she believes Putin's word over the consensus of American intelligence. 

She tells us every criticism of her is Fake News. Her supporters tell you to move on. She won. Get over it.

Hillary Clinton appoints Chelsea and that husband you know nothing about to key government positions.

Hillary faces well-documented cases of financial fraud and refuses to release her tax returns. 

She takes credit for things that actually happened under the Bush administration. She has uttered more than 4,000 categorical lies since taking office. 

She goes to the hair salon constantly, and plays croquet every weekend, charging the secret service to stay at the resort she owns: Rodham-a-go-go. She puts in little of the hard work, but stays up late taking potshots at Ted Nugent on Twitter. 

She either ignores her inner circle of advisers, or fires them, resulting in an unprecedented turnover of staff. 

Then you notice she is pulling every lever she can to subvert the Constitution, gain executive power, and shield herself from prosecution.

Also, everything you thought you knew about Hillary's politics was an understatement. Her policies and appointments are even worse than you feared. Debbie Wasserman-Shultz as Secretary of Labor? Are you s#!tting me? Her position on Israel appears to be based on Christian End Times prophecies. She give Kim Jung Un the photo op his family has always dreamed of.

Everything wrong is someone else's fault. Not Hillary's. If she didn't deserve all this power, why is there an arena full of Hillary supporters in Westchester chanting "lock him up!"?

So as a Republican, would you say: well, I don't agree with her, but Hillary is our duly elected President. I'll tone down my rhetoric and just see where she leads America for the next 8 years."
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BTW, the silence in response to this post is deafening. 

Excellent job with this. 

 
Just a reminder for all that Obama spent much of his 8 years going after or blaming Fox News claiming they were biased against him.  Lets not pretend that this notion of disagreeing with members of the press started with Trump. Imagine if Obama had 90% of the press against him....he likely would not have won the 2008 primary let alone a 2nd term.  



 
You have a republican president that condones violence against the media and describes them as the enemy.  You have a republican president that called alt-right marchers that were engaged in violence "fine people."  You have a republican president that joked about assaulting women.  You have a republican president that told supporters he would pay their attorneys fees for violence on people that were against him.  You have a republican president that said he would order the military to shoot unarmed immigrants for throwing rocks.

And you have a few conservative people on here that say nothing about it because we have a booming economy

Forgive me if I don't tone it down.

 
HuskerNation1 said:
I fully agree with you here. There are crazies on the left and the right and I have shared this view often. The problem comes in when a good number of posters on here try to link Trump and his supporters into this crazy camp and continue to call Trump and his supporters racist and all the other deplorable names. If that were to subside I believe there would be richer dialogue all the way around.
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Ugh, this has been discussed in other threads many times, and I hate to belabor the point since this discussion has been going in a different direction, but... turning a blind eye to racism does not create a richer dialogue. It enables more racism, which overshadows so much of what Trump says and does. I whole-heartedly agree that we should have reasonable discussions about policy and actions without attacking each other, but Trump is racist, according to mountains of evidence (mostly, his own words). Pointing this out is not the obstacle to reasonable discussion; it is the failure of some to acknowledge his racism (or willful ignorance of it, or even embracing it) that does this. 

 
3 minutes ago, HuskerNation1 said:

Just a reminder for all that Obama spent much of his 8 years going after or blaming Fox News claiming they were biased against him.  Lets not pretend that this notion of disagreeing with members of the press started with Trump. Imagine if Obama had 90% of the press against him....he likely would not have won the 2008 primary let alone a 2nd term.  

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Show me where Obama called Fox Fake News or the enemy of the people.

 
StPaulHusker said:
You have a republican president that condones violence against the media and describes them as the enemy.  You have a republican president that called alt-right marchers that were engaged in violence "fine people."  You have a republican president that joked about assaulting women.  You have a republican president that told supporters he would pay their attorneys fees for violence on people that were against him.  You have a republican president that said he would order the military to shoot unarmed immigrants for throwing rocks.

And you have a few conservative people on here that say nothing about it because we have a booming economy (not of the sitting President's doing)

Forgive me if I don't tone it down.
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FFA

 
HuskerNation1 said:
Sorry but Acosta and Fake News CNN need to stop pretending to be journalists. Why on earth is he pushing the arm of a female intern. CNNs reputation with Acosta, Lemon and others has been tarnished forever.  That network in particular has gone overboard going after Trump and his family and its laughable to see some still defending CNN.
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Your fake outrage is noted. 

 
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VectorVictor said:
FFA
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To be fair, the tax overhaul and fiscal spending has been a large contributor to the economic growth we've seen. However, the latter is not sustainable and will eventually come back to bite us in the a$$. Additionally, consumer spending has increased, as consumer confidence continues to tick upward.

 
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At some point, we have to accept these Trump faithful are never going to turn. Never going to see the light. Never going to seek truth. We can talk facts, logic, morality, etc. until we are blue in the face, but it absolutely does not matter to them. Don't get me wrong, I won't stop talking in facts, logic, morality. But I'm just about done trying to engage in actual debate with illogical, ignorant, reprehensible people. 

 
QMany said:
At some point, we have to accept these Trump faithful are never going to turn. Never going to see the light. Never going to seek truth. We can talk facts, logic, morality, etc. until we are blue in the face, but it absolutely does not matter to them. Don't get me wrong, I won't stop talking in facts, logic, morality. But I'm just about done trying to engage in actual debate with illogical, ignorant, reprehensible people. 
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18 minutes ago, HuskerNation1 said:

Just a reminder for all that Obama spent much of his 8 years going after or blaming Fox News claiming they were biased against him.  Lets not pretend that this notion of disagreeing with members of the press started with Trump. Imagine if Obama had 90% of the press against him....he likely would not have won the 2008 primary let alone a 2nd term.  

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Claims Obama "spent much of his 8 years going after or blaming Fox News claiming they were biased against him."

As proof, posts <3 minute video with one quote by President Obama from late 2016, then a bunch of whining and lies by Fox pundits, none of which confirms this allegation.

This is why Trump said, "I love the poorly educated."  Propaganda works best on them.

 
Ulty said:
Ugh, this has been discussed in other threads many times, and I hate to belabor the point since this discussion has been going in a different direction, but... turning a blind eye to racism does not create a richer dialogue. It enables more racism, which overshadows so much of what Trump says and does. I whole-heartedly agree that we should have reasonable discussions about policy and actions without attacking each other, but Trump is racist, according to mountains of evidence (mostly, his own words). Pointing this out is not the obstacle to reasonable discussion; it is the failure of some to acknowledge his racism (or willful ignorance of it, or even embracing it) that does this. 
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Continuing to falsely accuse Trump of racism is not going to bring voices together on here. That is the problem...the left cant beat Trump on ideas and therefore resort to name calling. 

 
knapplc said:
Claims Obama "spent much of his 8 years going after or blaming Fox News claiming they were biased against him."

As proof, posts <3 minute video with one quote by President Obama from late 2016, then a bunch of whining and lies by Fox pundits, none of which confirms this allegation.

This is why Trump said, "I love the poorly educated."  Propaganda works best on them.
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There are oodles of videos where Obama blasted Fox for their views he did not agree with just as CNN and MSNBC have done with Trump. Failing to acknowledge this demonstrates your bias.

 
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