Green New Deal

Also, if Trump and/or the Repubs run on anti-socialism, it'll be interesting to see if it actually works as they've been crying wolf on socialism for many years now. Spending 8+ years decrying Obama as a socialist (he's not at all) may have eroded the effectiveness of that attack.

 
TGHusker said:
A couple of Axios articles on the NGD.  It appears that many inside the Trump Camp believe they have found the winning formula for 2020 - make socialism the enemy and pronounce the  GND as the socialist Trojan horse now within.    While in 2016 it was all about MEGA and border security - I'm thinking that 2020 will now about a rehash of Reagan's famous Goldwater speech from 1964  "A Time for Choosing" (google it - great speech that immediately put Reagan on the map for being 1st a governor of Calif and then president).  Trump will probably make the campaign all about choosing between socialism or democracy.   

  

https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-trump-socialism-99832f50-2cc7-4b7a-a9d9-2b2c8ca55cdb.html

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https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-55e5dfcb-0155-4ad6-adf1-2973c7981829.html
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A lot will depend on what happens with the economy between now and then.

A lot of the reason people so strongly embraced the original New Deal was because fiscal austerity on the part of Herbert Hoover completely failed to improve lives during the Great Depression. People were ready for a big government that would throw its weight around for them again.

We're not likely headed for another depression, but we could be squarely in the middle of a recession when 2020 rolls around.

 
RedDenver said:
What? Those aren't mutually exclusive. They aren't even the same kinds of things.
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What I'm saying - Trump will make it about Big regulatory govt vs limited govt.  Using socialistic economic principles vs free enterprise principles.  He will paint the GND as a step towards Venezuelan like socialism. 

Perhaps free enterprise might be the better phrase than democracy. 

Free Enterprise  an economic system in which private business operates in competition and largely free of state control.

Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Democracy:  a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

 
Clifford Franklin said:
A lot will depend on what happens with the economy between now and then.

A lot of the reason people so strongly embraced the original New Deal was because fiscal austerity on the part of Herbert Hoover completely failed to improve lives during the Great Depression. People were ready for a big government that would throw its weight around for them again.

We're not likely headed for another depression, but we could be squarely in the middle of a recession when 2020 rolls around.
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Middle and poor classes haven't had a real wage increase in decades. Couple that with rising healthcare costs, student loan debt, and the effects of the Great Recession, and it may not take a recession for people to start embracing big government again. (Or maybe government-for-the-people is a more friendly term.)

 
Clifford Franklin said:
A lot will depend on what happens with the economy between now and then.

A lot of the reason people so strongly embraced the original New Deal was because fiscal austerity on the part of Herbert Hoover completely failed to improve lives during the Great Depression. People were ready for a big government that would throw its weight around for them again.

We're not likely headed for another depression, but we could be squarely in the middle of a recession when 2020 rolls around.
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Yes, I think a recession is a good probability in 2020 which will affect votes.

 
TGHusker said:
What I'm saying - Trump will make it about Big regulatory govt vs limited govt.  Using socialistic economic principles vs free enterprise principles.  He will paint the GND as a step towards Venezuelan like socialism. 

Perhaps free enterprise might be the better phrase than democracy. 

Free Enterprise  an economic system in which private business operates in competition and largely free of state control.

Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Democracy:  a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to attack you - I thought those were the words coming from the article.

 
RedDenver said:
Middle and poor classes haven't had a real wage increase in decades. Couple that with rising healthcare costs, student loan debt, and the effects of the Great Recession, and it may not take a recession for people to start embracing big government again. (Or maybe government-for-the-people is a more friendly term.)
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I do think we (including me) are tired of pointless wars and that it is time to turn attention towards taking care of people at home. 

 
DevoHusker said:
and...what specifically did not eating beef do to improve your health? (actual inquiry for my own knowledge)
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I still eat poultry and fish.  Pork has been limited significantly since it is considered a red meat.

I started noticing whenever I consumed beef or other types of red meat like bison, elk, deer, etc, I would get extremely sick.  

Pork doesnt have the same effect but I decided to curb it anyhow.  

Now I don’t get sick anymore and I’ve been in the best shape since my teens-early 20’s.

 
StPaulHusker said:
I still eat poultry and fish.  Pork has been limited significantly since it is considered a red meat.

I started noticing whenever I consumed beef or other types of red meat like bison, elk, deer, etc, I would get extremely sick.  

Pork doesnt have the same effect but I decided to curb it anyhow.  

Now I don’t get sick anymore and I’ve been in the best shape since my teens-early 20’s.
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thanks, good deal

 
B.B. Hemingway said:
This is disingenuous, comparing the market of beef production and anvil "production". Why is it that this "s#!t happens" approach is only used with opposition to liberal agendas?

My favorite part of the Environmental book report is that she found a way to include "economic relief for those unwilling (!) to work".  :facepalm:
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My original cow fart post was mostly joking. The government isn't going to come in and take the cows away, and beef production isn't going anywhere in the near future.

The free market has been moving to healthier diets for a couple generations now, and may continue to do so, but interestingly enough cheaper feed has led to cheaper meat prices, and people looking for healthier diets have been willing to swap carbs for protein. I believe beef consumption last year was near record highs.

But I also believe that "s#!t happens" to a lot of industries, and it's not a liberal or conservative agenda at all. It's pretty much the will of the consumer, given a preferable alternative. 

 
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