Mo Washington Spill-Over Thread

JJ Husker said:
Those are the Cali legal questions. I could give two s#!ts about that. I’m only concerned if he knowingly taunted a girl who had been subjected to real assault.
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And back to this - no, I don’t think he did. The police and school didn’t come to the conclusion it was sexual assault, so why would an 18 year old?

 
StPaulHusker said:
It still can be rape.  
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Two guys, pull over, engage in sexual intercourse, she partakes, never says no, but in her head she is THINKING no,  so guys never stop, never says no, video gets out .... NOW say rape.

If this constitutes rape then there are a lot more rapists in this world than I thought.

 
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Redux said:
Two guys, pull over, engage in sexual intercourse, she partakes, never says no, but in her head she is THINKING no,  so guys never stop, never says no, video gets out .... NOW say rape.

If this constitutes rape then there are a lot more rapists in this world than I thought.
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Her particular situation will be difficult to prove.  Especially since she’s claiming it 2-3 years later.  But there are numerous instances and cases where a woman didn’t say no and it was still rape.  The word no or stop or quit is not some magic word that takes sex from consensual to rape 

 
StPaulHusker said:
Her particular situation will be difficult to prove.  Especially since she’s claiming it 2-3 years later.  But there are numerous instances and cases where a woman didn’t say no and it was still rape.  The word no or stop or quit is not some magic word that takes sex from consensual to rape 
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If you aren't telling someone no, who would stop if they heard it, are you being raped?  Obviously NO isn't magic, obviously it's not going to make a rapist stop.  But she never told them to stop, so they didn't stop but it's still rape?  Not buying it.

 
Redux said:
If you aren't telling someone no, who would stop if they heard it, are you being raped?  Obviously NO isn't magic, obviously it's not going to make a rapist stop.  But she never told them to stop, so they didn't stop but it's still rape?  Not buying it.
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Again her situation is different.  It’s going to be difficult to prove if charges are filed

Here is a situation unrelated to what we are discussing:

A man beats his wife.  She fears him.  She knows if she doesn’t provide him sex he will beat her.  She doesn’t say no but that is rape.

 
That goes just beyond rape, that's domestic abuse AND sexual assault.  That's not two random people, that's a toxic relationship that stems years.

 
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Redux said:
That goes just beyond rape, that's domestic abuse AND sexual assault.
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Yes it does.  But the point I’m making is that sometimes a woman would “consent” out of fear of what could happen if she didn’t.  It’s still rape.

And just to be clear one more time, the girl that is being discussed here has to be able to prove or convince prosecutors that what she is saying now is what actually happened.  It’s going to be difficult.  I don’t think it’s appropriate for any of us not directly involved to claim it was or wasn’t and it’s certainly not appropriate to call her a hoe like JJ did

 
Moiraine said:
@Mavric @JJ Husker

That isn’t what’s going on here. Yes it’s true that it’s the legal definition, but the girl is claiming it was non consensual, and not due to her age. She says she was an unwilling participant and said no multiple times.
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That's what I said.  But we're talking about two different time frames.  Right after it happened, she didn't say it was non-consensual.  And she was expelled along with the boys.  It would have been odd for her to be kicked out of school if she had said it was non-consensual at the time.  Now - a couple years down the road - she is saying that.  

So it was always an assault under the law.  But she has not always said it was non-consensual.

 
StPaulHusker said:
Her particular situation will be difficult to prove.  Especially since she’s claiming it 2-3 years later.  But there are numerous instances and cases where a woman didn’t say no and it was still rape.  The word no or stop or quit is not some magic word that takes sex from consensual to rape 
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Hopefully the new magic word isn't MeToo.  Redux is bringing up a valid point and is a concern I had while dating.  I was probably naive thinking that I was protected in case someone claimed rape afterwards.  Are we going to get to a point where we need to have a girl sign a consent form and maybe get a video acknowledging that the sex about to be performed is consensual?  These are things I considered but figured if a woman was going to claim rape she would also claim them to be coerced.

 
Mavric said:
That's what I said.  But we're talking about two different time frames.  Right after it happened, she didn't say it was non-consensual.  And she was expelled along with the boys.  It would have been odd for her to be kicked out of school if she had said it was non-consensual at the time.  Now - a couple years down the road - she is saying that.  

So it was always an assault under the law.  But she has not always said it was non-consensual.
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Yes I agree with all this. But your statement made JJ think the only reason anyone's talking about sexual assault is because of the weird California law.

 
Stumpy1 said:
Sometimes the truth hurts and isn't what people want to hear. 
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knapplc said:
My guess is he serves a one game suspension and he's back for Colorado. 
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At this point, I'm having trouble seeing why he should serve any punishment. Maybe an apology to the team for doing something stupid that generated bad publicity with a promise to think about the consequences, no matter how stupid some laws, before doing anything like that again.

I'm going to need just a few key pieces of evidence he did anything more than make a youthful mistake before I call for any punitive measures.

 
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