The Angry Violent Left
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Danny Bateman
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BigRedBuster
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Mierin
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Do you think the 9/11 conspiracy was as widely believed within the Democratic party and distributed, including among the party’s leadership, as the birther conspiracy within the Republican party?
funhusker
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No. Actually, it is my experience that most people that think it was an inside job voted for Trump because it was an act by the evil "deep state".
Mierin
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We’re all biased, but thinking the Republicans and Fox have been the cause of far more division than Democrats does not require one to be biased.
Thinking both sides are equal in this requires one to be biased for the Repulican party.
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BigRedBuster
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Well....it was widely critically acclaimed.
American Cinema Editor's Award = Nominee
ASACPA American Film Music Awards = Winner
Bodil Awards = Nominee
British Independent Film Award = Winner
Broadcast Film Critics Award = Nominee
Cannes film Festival = Winner X2
Chicago Film Critics Award = Winner
Ceaser Award = Nominee
Dallas - Fort Worth Film Critics = Winner
Director's Guild of America = Nominee
DVD Exclusive Awards = Nominee
European Film Awards = Nominee
Florida Film Critics Award = Winner
Gold Derby Award = Winner
+25 more....I'm tired of typing them.....along with a Peoples Choice Award.
After all that, The Democrats view Micheal Moore as a hero and I remember him being at the 2004 Democratic convention as an honored guest. I don't remember too many Democrats ever speaking out against his implication that Bush has a part in 9/11. They benefited from the public thinking he did...because of that film and Moore was greatly rewarded for it.
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Mierin
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It was a very good movie. Had some good stuff on Hillary Clinton too, IIRC.
I don’t remember members or congress suggesting Bush was involved, but I didn’t remember Moore being at the convention.
Let’s say for argument’s sake they’re equal. That doesn’t change what I think is the fact that Republicans and Fox are for more cuplable for the current division, nor does that statement require bias.
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Ulty
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Are you talking about the movie Fahrenheit 911? I thought these last few posts were talking about the conspiracy theory that 9/11 was an inside job masterminded by the Bush administration. There was no mainstream support for that c$%kamamie idea, and that is not what the movie was about at all. The movie was mostly about the war on terror and Bush's use of faulty intelligence to justify a war. I don't remember Michael Moore implicating, either in the movie or elsewhere that Bush was behind 9/11.
BigRedBuster
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As for your last line. Right here...this very minute....yes...Trump and Fox are extremely culpable in the division. They are at the very top of the list.
However, over the last 30 years, I would not say the Republicans are much more than the Democrats.
BigRedBuster
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From Rotten Tomatoes
I remember talk about how Bush Senior had thrown a party in NYC with Saudi royal family to watch it all take place.
Mierin
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Not sure why you stated “he was” as if I was arguing with you.
We can agree to disagree but I don’t see how it’s your conclusion. Democrats didn’t even approach Republicans in this before 2016. Just look at what they did in 2010 with gerrymandering. That by itself puts them over the top as far as causing division and being anti Democratic. Then there’s the supreme court nomination, and I believe @knapplc once posted a great list of just plain sensible laws that were voted on down the party lines (with Republicans against) that shouldn’t have been.
There are many examples of things that didn’t change just because Trump got elected, where the Republican party was always that way, taking whatever the opposite approach of occam’s razor is.
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Guy Chamberlin
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There's one persistent conspiracy theory that has managed to unite the left and right wings, though they rarely see it that way.
There has always been a shadow government that is really pulling the strings. They are the real enemy, but they are so powerful and so invisible as to be nearly impossible to fight. It's the Trilateral Commission or the Elders of Zion or the Deep State or the New World Order. They are invariably globalists. To the Left, they are the individuals and corporations brought together by their vast wealth rather than nation or ideology. They have money and control and they are insatiable for more. To the Right, they are Globalists, united in their desire to erase borders and end nationalism -- a direct threat to the dominance and culture of the United States.
There's some truth to this, of course. But it's not that mysterious. The money trail in politics is pretty clear. We can see it happening in broad daylight, and usually shrug our shoulders. Occasionally consumers realize how powerful they are and exert tremendous influence.
But mostly we like things boiled down into stories. Needs to be a good guy and a bad guy. The people who write the stories know that. The stories that require nuance, context and time lose way too many people. And there we are.
There has always been a shadow government that is really pulling the strings. They are the real enemy, but they are so powerful and so invisible as to be nearly impossible to fight. It's the Trilateral Commission or the Elders of Zion or the Deep State or the New World Order. They are invariably globalists. To the Left, they are the individuals and corporations brought together by their vast wealth rather than nation or ideology. They have money and control and they are insatiable for more. To the Right, they are Globalists, united in their desire to erase borders and end nationalism -- a direct threat to the dominance and culture of the United States.
There's some truth to this, of course. But it's not that mysterious. The money trail in politics is pretty clear. We can see it happening in broad daylight, and usually shrug our shoulders. Occasionally consumers realize how powerful they are and exert tremendous influence.
But mostly we like things boiled down into stories. Needs to be a good guy and a bad guy. The people who write the stories know that. The stories that require nuance, context and time lose way too many people. And there we are.
Mierin
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The funny thing about the conspiracy about the secret group brought together by wealth is it’s getting truer. Not that they’re connected or have some grand plan, but we have so many big global companies now that aren’t solely reliant on one country’s customers. So it makes sense if they become less concerned about their country of origin. But then still use their $ to influence it.
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