Martinez for Heisman

I misspoke the other day, but had it right earlier in the topic.

Martinez is #3 in returning total offense this season in the country. If you want people to stop talking about him potentially being the best player or best quarterback in the conference or the country this season, it’s not going to happen.

 
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Moiraine said:
I misspoke the other day, but had it right earlier in the topic.

Martinez is #3 in returning total offense this season in the country. If you want people to stop talking about him potentially being the best player or best quarterback in the conference or the country this season, it’s not going to happen.
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Below are the Heisman contenders from 2018-2019 season...Note how the only significant 1st or 2nd place votes were cast for Kyler Murray, Tua Tagovailoa, or Dwayne Haskins....from teams who have a good record.  Nebraska will have to be in National Championship contention (in other words a very good record) before AM will even compete for the Heisman.  Yet you think people are crazy for pumping the brakes on a Martinez for Heisman? 





Kyler Murray


 


 


 


 


 


 


Oklahoma 2018 Record (12-2)


 


 




Tua Tagovailoa


 


 


 


 


 


 


Alabama 2018 Record

(14-1)



 


 




Dwayne Haskins


 


 


 


 


 


 


Ohio State

2018 Record (13-1)



 


 




Will Grier


 


 


 


 


 


 


West Virginia

2018 Record (8-4)



 


 




Darrell Henderson


 


 


 


 


 


 


Memphis

2018 Record

(8-6)



 


 




Gardner Minshew


 


 


 


 


 


 


Washington State

2018

Record

(11-2)



 


 




Jonathan Taylor


 


 


 


 


 


 


Wisconsin

2018 Record

(8-5)



 


 




Travis Etienne


 


 


 


 


 


 


Clemson

2018 Record

(15-0)



 


 




Quinnen Williams


 


 


 Alabama 2018 Record

(14-1)





 
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CriticalFan said:
Below are the Heisman contenders from 2018-2019 season...Note how the only significant 1st or 2nd place votes were cast for Kyler Murray, Tua Tagovailoa, or Dwayne Haskins....from teams who have a good record.  Nebraska will have to be in National Championship contention (in other words a very good record) before AM will even compete for the Heisman.  Yet you think people are crazy for pumping the brakes on a Martinez for Heisman? 





Kyler Murray


 


 


 


 


 


 


Oklahoma 2018 Record (12-2)


 


 




Tua Tagovailoa


 


 


 


 


 


 


Alabama 2018 Record

(14-1)



 


 




Dwayne Haskins


 


 


 


 


 


 


Ohio State

2018 Record (13-1)



 


 




Will Grier


 


 


 


 


 


 


West Virginia

2018 Record (8-4)



 


 




Darrell Henderson


 


 


 


 


 


 


Memphis

2018 Record

(8-6)



 


 




Gardner Minshew


 


 


 


 


 


 


Washington State

2018

Record

(11-2)



 


 




Jonathan Taylor


 


 


 


 


 


 


Wisconsin

2018 Record

(8-5)



 


 




Travis Etienne


 


 


 


 


 


 


Clemson

2018 Record

(15-0)



 


 




Quinnen Williams


 


 


 Alabama 2018 Record

(14-1)
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Lamar Jackson won it on a 9-3 Lousiville team in 2016, Bryce Love was second in 2017 on a 9-4 team. If he puts up big enough numbers the fact we went 4-8 last year will be an even bigger selling point for the voters. It'll be a player putting up great numbers and willing a 4-8 team to a winning season, even though that's not fair to the contributions of other players. Again that's assuming he puts up huge numbers, but the track record of Frost's offense there is excellent.

No one will be shocked if Martinez isn't a finalist, it's impossible to predict at this point. But no one should be surprised if he is, he's set up for it as well as anyone that's not a Bama/Clemson skill position player.

 
CriticalFan said:
Below are the Heisman contenders from 2018-2019 season...Note how the only significant 1st or 2nd place votes were cast for Kyler Murray, Tua Tagovailoa, or Dwayne Haskins....from teams who have a good record.  Nebraska will have to be in National Championship contention (in other words a very good record) before AM will even compete for the Heisman.  Yet you think people are crazy for pumping the brakes on a Martinez for Heisman? 
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No.

 
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CriticalFan said:
Can someone older than me (I was born in '87) tell me if this amount of Koolaid and Hype (Heisman Watch Top 5, Best QB in the Conference) used to start before anyone had even played a game in the 70s and 80s?  It seems like they push it earlier and earlier every year.  I feel like they are trying to sell us Xmas decorations before Halloween.
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I remember schools would promote their wanna be's in the summer, I'm thinking the 80s maybe.  Not so much the media giving top 10 lists

 
Tim Tebow won the Heisman with a 9-4 record and #15 ranking.

Johnny Manziel won it with a great season but no real actual legitimate chance at a championship.

Lamar Jackson won it with Louisville finished ranked #20.

Robert Griffin III won it with a 10-3 record.

Ndamukong Suh was a finalist on our team which was barely ever in the top 20 all season.

I don't think Martinez will win it, but there's certainly precedent for transcendent players on average or non-elite teams doing it.

 
CriticalFan said:
Can someone older than me (I was born in '87) tell me if this amount of Koolaid and Hype (Heisman Watch Top 5, Best QB in the Conference) used to start before anyone had even played a game in the 70s and 80s?  It seems like they push it earlier and earlier every year.  I feel like they are trying to sell us Xmas decorations before Halloween.
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I am SOOOOOO mich older than you, let me drop some wisdom! (Born in 85)

This is a product of technology/social media/access to instant information.  These opportunities simply were not available pre-2010 even really.  Attention spans are shrinking by the year so the media feels the hyperbole must be cranked up continuously to grab eyeballs.

 
runningblind said:
I am SOOOOOO much older than you, let me drop some wisdom! (Born in 85)

This is a product of technology/social media/access to instant information.  These opportunities simply were not available pre-2010 even really.  Attention spans are shrinking by the year so the media feels the hyperbole must be cranked up continuously to grab eyeballs.
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Yeah, think of the media sources today didn't even exist pre-internet.  Yahoo!, Rivals, 247, whomever.  It's definitely bloated.  Like me.  A fellow 85er  :o

 


Not to take anything away from Martinez, but I hate all comments coming from "coaches at Manning Camp" because they convinced me Tanner Lee was our savior. Big difference is Martinez has already backed up the hype on the field to some degree, but still. 

 
Husker in WI said:
Not to take anything away from Martinez, but I hate all comments coming from "coaches at Manning Camp" because they convinced me Tanner Lee was our savior. Big difference is Martinez has already backed up the hype on the field to some degree, but still. 
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Yes, we’ve actually SEEN what 2AM can do, so it’s not really hype.

When similar comments were made about Lee, I watched some of the Tulane games and was dumbfounded at what people were seeing in him.  I had hopes he wouldn’t be the Tulane Tanner, and that better coaching (LOL) would improve him.  But, we all saw the exact same player at NU as I did in those Tulane games.

 
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