The Biden / Ukraine Scandal

Danny Bateman said:
What does that matter? Knapp's OP laid out the facts of the situation quite well.
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It did lay things out quite well, with a few assumtions thrown in... like assuming that this was about any real effort to clean up corruption. it was a war of influence, and a favor was done to remove an opponent.

Biden was one of the leaders of the effort to remove Shokin, and a month after Kasko’s resignation, he threatened to withhold American loan guarantees from Ukraine so long as Shokin was heading the prosecutor’s office. Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, also threatened to withdraw financial support for Ukraine unless it cleaned up its corruption problem. Pretty much everyone recognized Shokin had to go, and a month later Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove him from office.
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Apsu said:
It did lay things out quite well, with a few assumtions thrown in... like assuming that this was about any real effort to clean up corruption. it was a war of influence, and a favor was done to remove an opponent.
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I'm confused at how you can say this when most of the western world agreed the guy was corrupt and needed to go. If it wasn't Biden doing the pushing it would have been someone else as pressure was coming from other countries.

 
Nebfanatic said:
I'm confused at how you can say this when most of the western world agreed the guy was corrupt and needed to go. If it wasn't Biden doing the pushing it would have been someone else as pressure was coming from other countries.
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You just said it yourself... "most of the western world agreed".

As I said it was a war of influence between Russian friendly politicians and NATO friendly politicians. Neither side is good for Ukraine, both just wanted to loot it of resources. Most independent analyses of post Maidan Ukraine acknowledge that the IMF stepped in to sell off most of the country's resources to western interests for pennies on the dollar.

 
Apsu said:
You just said it yourself... "most of the western world agreed".

As I said it was a war of influence between Russian friendly politicians and NATO friendly politicians. Neither side is good for Ukraine, both just wanted to loot it of resources. Most independent analyses of post Maidan Ukraine acknowledge that the IMF stepped in to sell off most of the country's resources to western interests for pennies on the dollar.
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None of that has anything to do with whether Biden was peddling influence to get preferential treatment for his son.

 
Apsu said:
You just said it yourself... "most of the western world agreed".

As I said it was a war of influence between Russian friendly politicians and NATO friendly politicians. Neither side is good for Ukraine, both just wanted to loot it of resources. Most independent analyses of post Maidan Ukraine acknowledge that the IMF stepped in to sell off most of the country's resources to western interests for pennies on the dollar.
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While that is wrong, I don't see how that creates dirt on Biden as he was still working on behalf of US interests.

 
Apsu said:
People who hate Trump see things one way, and people who hate Biden see it a different way. Despite being a Republican, Dowd is on record as agreeing with Hillary that Trump supporters were "deplorables". Analysis from independents would be much preferred to people who already have preexisting biases.
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Well, half of them have the rule of law on their side, and half of them don't. 

 
@Apsu

What are you even arguing here? A corrupt official in Ukraine was forced out do to Biden and the EU exerting pressure on a Ukraine that needed, and wanted, their help. The EU and Ukraine have been working to become closer for decades, in ways that will be mutually beneficial.

Again, a small investigation could be done into the Biden connection, but nothing will be found. At this point with all the information that is available it makes zero since for the Biden's to want the prosecutor gone. He was notorious for stonewalling corruption investigations, and it seems he could have been easily paid off. Why risk, in fact demand, that Ukraine bring in someone who was serious about fighting corruption if you think they may come after your team???

 
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I love that some people think other people are "falling" for something.  This is a message board, it takes about 8 seconds to scroll and reply.  Oh and nothing posted here is going to impact anything.  

 
ZRod said:
@Apsu

What are you even arguing here? A corrupt official in Ukraine was forced out do to Biden and the EU exerting pressure on a Ukraine that needed, and wanted, their help. The EU and Ukraine have been working to become closer for decades, in ways that will be mutually beneficial.
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I am a loyal and patriotic American citizen, but I am under no illusion that our corporations and the political leadership beholden to them (such as Trump, Biden, Clinton, etc) are as corrupt as heck, and are not working for the good of the Ukrainian people.

 
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