The First Trump Impeachment Thread

To all our Republican-voting friends who read these forums but are too intimidated to take part in conversation, just think about why the people you vote for are staging a protest against an investigation which could exonerate Trump. 

This isn't even the trial yet - that happens in the Republican-controlled Senate. This is just the fact-gathering stage.

Why are they trying to stop the gathering of facts, the testimony of witnesses? If Trump is innocent, shouldn't they want all the witnesses to testify?

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Also, since the site software is going to merge these anyway, here's this:


This has been going on FAR longer than anyone previously thought.

 
knapplc said:
To all our Republican-voting friends who read these forums but are too intimidated to take part in conversation, just think about why the people you vote for are staging a protest against an investigation which could exonerate Trump. 

This isn't even the trial yet - that happens in the Republican-controlled Senate. This is just the fact-gathering stage.

Why are they trying to stop the gathering of facts, the testimony of witnesses? If Trump is innocent, shouldn't they want all the witnesses to testify?

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Also, since the site software is going to merge these anyway, here's this:


This has been going on FAR longer than anyone previously thought.
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The bolded question is my personal favorite to ask my right-leaning friends/family. The amount squirming, back-pedaling, and general angst that it causes is pretty priceless.

 
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knapplc said:
The idiot just admitted why he withheld aid.

Defend this, Republicans.  :lol: :laughpound
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So in other words: I guess Trump, the Wise one, just solved one of the all time great puzzles:   If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, it really does not make noise.    :facepalm:

So as long as the Ukrainians didn't realize Trump had done something impeachable then nothing impeachable really occurred at all.

How's that for turning the charges on their head. 

Trump, Barr, Rudy:

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This is a pathetic excuse. The ringleader of this, Gaetz, sat on the House Judiciary committee.

This echoes the exceedingly rough first few months of Trump's reign when Republican apologists made the excuse that he was "raw" and "not a politician" and assured us he would grow into the role.


 
knapplc said:
This is a pathetic excuse. The ringleader of this, Gaetz, sat on the House Judiciary committee.

This echoes the exceedingly rough first few months of Trump's reign when Republican apologists made the excuse that he was "raw" and "not a politician" and assured us he would grow into the role.
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Apparently McCarthy is trying to get a gig on Fox & Friends with soundbites like that.

 
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knapplc said:
This is a pathetic excuse. The ringleader of this, Gaetz, sat on the House Judiciary committee.

This echoes the exceedingly rough first few months of Trump's reign when Republican apologists made the excuse that he was "raw" and "not a politician" and assured us he would grow into the role.
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 Even if McCarthy's excuse was legitimate, which it certainly is not, it does not account for the rest of the GOP's outrageous behavior.

What, some of these guys have not been on an intel committee, so we can't expect them to know that storming into a confidential interview is inappropriate, and we can't expect them to understand what due process means, and we can't expect them to know anything about the Constitution, or any legal procedures, or professional conduct. Give these poor guys a break!

 
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Meanwhile on another potential impeachment issue - Trump's lawyer brilliantly defends Trump on the tax returns issue. 

Scumbag client, Scumbag lawyer

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/23/trump-lawyer-prosecuted-shooting-someone-055648

NEW YORK — Even if President Donald Trump shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue, New York authorities could not punish him while he is in office, the president's lawyers argued Wednesday.

Attorneys for Trump made the claim while arguing before a federal appeals court in their suit against Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance, who has subpoenaed Trump’s tax returns.
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Attorney William Consovoy argued that New York authorities would have to wait until the president was out of office to arrest and charge him for that crime. The DA's office argued the claim was a fabrication.

“Once a president is removed from office, any local authority” could prosecute him, Consovoy told a panel of three judges from the U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals. “This is not a permanent immunity.”

Judge Denny Chin pressed him on how the crime would be handled while Trump remained in office. “Nothing could be done, that’s your position?” he said.

“That is correct,” Consovoy replied.

The Manhattan DA subpoenaed eight years of Trump’s tax returns from his accounting firm, Mazars USA, as part of a probe into hush money payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels in exchange for her silence about an alleged sexual encounter with Trump.
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