2020 Quarterback Competition

The Dude said:
10 TDs to 9 INTs is bad.  There's no getting around it.
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If farniok and Wilson make two of the easier blocks I’ve seen against Purdue and Wisconsin that’s 12 td to 9 int.  My point is not many ppl are saying AM had a good yr, the point is that his struggles were shared by failures across ALL players on offense.  I’ve seen good AM, I have yet to see GOOD Wilson or farniok.  

 
There was plenty of blame to go around.  Missed passes QBs should be able to make in their sleep.  Running out of bounds for a 5 yd loss (throw it away for crying out loud).  Embarrassingly whiffed blocks it open space.  Undependable snaps.  WRs failing to create separation or sustain blocks.  Ridiculously poor kick coverage.  Team defensive hustle dried up after the 1st half of the Colorado game (Where'd the gang tackling go?).  Nonexistent pass rush.  The list goes on.  Inconsistency was the killer.  Play makers can be game changers, but until we can field 11 player who can execute play in and play out, the games that should be "blow outs" will be close and many of the close games will be losses.  Lets hope year 3 is the year where consistency in execution reigns.

 
N is for nowledge said:
If farniok and Wilson make two of the easier blocks I’ve seen against Purdue and Wisconsin that’s 12 td to 9 int.  My point is not many ppl are saying AM had a good yr, the point is that his struggles were shared by failures across ALL players on offense.  I’ve seen good AM, I have yet to see GOOD Wilson or farniok.  
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12 TDs to 9 INTs would still be extraordinarily bad.

We can play "what if" like this and hypothetically improve every QB's stats in the country if we wanted to.  It doesn't  work like that.

The fact of the matter is Martinez was bad.

 
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Landlord said:
There's an easy way getting around it. We never called pass plays in the red zone. Like hardly ever. 
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Just so we're perfectly clear what's going on here.  Everyone agrees Martinez was extremely bad in terms of one of the most important criteria to judge a QB's performance (TD-INT ratio), lot of you are simply trying to blame everyone but him. 

Let's ignore the fact this is the same mental gymnastics everyone performed to pretend Tanner Lee was good.

Landlord said:
Is being in the top 3 of the conference all season in total yards per game bad?
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No, it's top 3.

 
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The Dude said:
12 TDs to 9 INTs would still be extraordinarily bad.

We can play "what if" like this and hypothetically improve every QB's stats in the country if we wanted to.  It doesn't  work like that.

The fact of the matter is Martinez was bad.
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Correct.  Look at pretty much every other top QB in the country and his TD/INt ratio. That is what AMart needs to be at (or whoever the starter is). 

He is and has been turnover prone and many times at costly points in the game.  

 
The Dude said:
12 TDs to 9 INTs would still be extraordinarily bad.

We can play "what if" like this and hypothetically improve every QB's stats in the country if we wanted to.  It doesn't  work like that.

The fact of the matter is Martinez was bad.
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You are missing the point several people are trying to make.  The stat itself is bad.  However, Martinez is only part of the equation that goes into td/int ratio.  You can't throw TDS to people that aren't open.  You have to force passes occasionally when playing from a big deficit.  You get jumpy when snaps are rarely on target.  You get jumpy when you don't have faith in your line.  You can only run the plays called.  It was a bad situation to be in last year for a QB.

 
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The Dude said:
12 TDs to 9 INTs would still be extraordinarily bad.

We can play "what if" like this and hypothetically improve every QB's stats in the country if we wanted to.  It doesn't  work like that.

The fact of the matter is Martinez was bad.
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That literally wasn’t what I said.  I said AM was not good.  My larger point is it was a failure of 11 guys not one, AM doesn’t play in some sort of bubble.  We’ve seen what good AM looks like, I’m still waiting to see what good Wilson or farniok looks like.  

 
Many of his critics are not impressed with his raw stats last year and they are not good by any reasonable comparative look but the biggest issue for me is more the lack of “it” factor plays.   I understand that his supporting cast was not good.  This hurts him too.  One can look past those things but its hard to point to very many special plays he made something out of nothing for example.  His highlight video would be pretty short so far with “difference maker” kinds of plays. In my opinion Frost’s offense by design requires a very special player as QB - its QB centric essentially and being a basic manager is not enough.  He needs to have and actually use exceptional run skills as well as read and throw with rare accuracy. Being average is not good enough to help the team overcome problems.   Maybe none of our QBs have this “it factor” but until we see it in AM there will be plenty of interest in trying other guys to see what happens.  We are not winning for many reasons and less than stellar QB play is one major one.  

 
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The Dude said:
12 TDs to 9 INTs would still be extraordinarily bad.

We can play "what if" like this and hypothetically improve every QB's stats in the country if we wanted to.  It doesn't  work like that.

The fact of the matter is Martinez was bad.
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Exactly, and for example Martinez's TD to Spielman in the Maryland game was almost picked by two players before falling into Spielman's arms. The 'what if' game would result in a 9 TD to 10 INT ratio. 

 
Hilltop said:
You are missing the point several people are trying to make.  The stat itself is bad.  However, Martinez is only part of the equation that goes into td/int ratio.  You can't throw TDS to people that aren't open.  You have to force passes occasionally when playing from a big deficit.  You get jumpy when snaps are rarely on target.  You get jumpy when you don't have faith in your line.  You can only run the plays called.  It was a bad situation to be in last year for a QB.
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Then what about the missed td or drive killing missed passes when people ARE open?  It goes both ways.  Plenty of examples of both.

 
The Dude said:
12 TDs to 9 INTs would still be extraordinarily bad.

We can play "what if" like this and hypothetically improve every QB's stats in the country if we wanted to.  It doesn't  work like that.

The fact of the matter is Martinez was bad.
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He has a fumbling problem also. 20 fumbles, 10 lost in 21 games.

 
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PoloWearingBeaver said:
Speaking of the quarterbacks, Frost won't accept help from a HOF QB.
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That's a bad look, but you really want another guy telling the QBs something different? For now I still trust Frost/Verduzco's track record. That's not to say Warner wouldn't do a good job. But I don't think there's a single "right" way to teach a QB, and I've got to think there would be some conflicting messages between the different QB coaches - it's why they don't want QBs working with other QB coaches.

I'd rather Verduzco sit down with Warner to pick his brain than have Warner try and fix Martinez, potentially undermining other things he's being taught.

 
PoloWearingBeaver said:
Speaking of the quarterbacks, Frost won't accept help from a HOF QB.
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Am I the only one who reads that and things it's pretty crappy on Warner to publicly complain about the coaching staff of his sons team. I've been around parents who b*tch and moan about coaches and most of the time it's cancerous and those people are almost unbearable to be around. And it's almost always because their son (in this case a walk-on) isn't the star they think he is

 
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