The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

knapplc said:
And scandals? Any scandals suddenly popping up, or no?
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Much like Obama, I'm sure there would be attempts at scandals but again like Obama I don't think they would land against Bernie. I'm guessing it'd be stuff like the Repub that called for an FBI investigation of Bernie's wife which went no where.

TBF, I think other Dem candidates would also be largely immune to smears and not just Bernie. I think Biden is uniquely able to be smeared because of his history of inappropriate touching that's been caught on video multiple times.

 
RedDenver said:
Much like Obama, I'm sure there would be attempts at scandals but again like Obama I don't think they would land against Bernie. I'm guessing it'd be stuff like the Repub that called for an FBI investigation of Bernie's wife which went no where.

TBF, I think other Dem candidates would also be largely immune to smears and not just Bernie. I think Biden is uniquely able to be smeared because of his history of inappropriate touching that's been caught on video multiple times.
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It'd be more "But her emails," of course. Every Dem candidate would have them. They've been preparing for this for years. It's nice to think that any candidate would be free, or that any of them are uniquely susceptible, but we're now two-for-two on Trump opponents with suddenly major scandals.  They'd try this against everyone.

 
knapplc said:
What do you think would be in the news right now if Bernie were the odds-on nominee?
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You know, as troubling as Biden's sexual harassment issues are, as well as his incoherent speech episodes, the GOP can't really make hay with that, because...well look at Trump.

But if Bernie was the nominee, as scandal-free and as stellar as his personal integrity may be, the GOP would be going to town on the socialist boogie man angle. That is a tried and true campaign strategy that GOP has used for decades, with success, to fire up and unite their base. They might also be more likely to retain some of the independent voters who may not like Trump's behavior, but...damn those liberal socialists.

(Please don't interpret this statement to think that I prefer Biden over Bernie; I certainly do not. I very much like and respect Bernie and wish Biden had never jumped in at all.)

 
Danny Bateman said:
¹ For as meh as Biden is for a lot of people, that can be a strength as well as a weakness. If meh is good enough to depress turnout among potential Trump voters (if not outright pull them into the Biden camp), that's a win we would not have gotten with say Sanders or Warren heading the ticket.

² Oh baloney. Bloomberg was great at needling Trump personally and ran a great digital campaign but as a candidate he was miserable. Trump has always feared Biden most of all as I'll show in a minute.

³ Yeah, enthusiasm tends to run high inside of cults. I've already said I'm not concerned about enthusiasm at this specific point in time as Biden continues leading polls in all the important states.

⁴ He's really not. To borrow inspiration from Dennis Green, he is who we thought he was. Flawed, to be sure, but now the GOP slime machine is running full tilt and a lot of people are getting suckered into getting a bit worried. I'm not.

⁵ Well, yeah. Well said. We're all stuck in wait and see mode because there's not much else we can do.
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1)  Meh! is pretty s#!tty campaign slogan.

2) I'm not saying who Trump "should" fear, I'm saying who he did fear: a New Yorker who was far wealthier and who knew him far better than anyone else, and had dedicated his fortune to taking him down. 

3) Don't know if you're hinting at Bernie Sanders with the cult reference. I'm thinking of enthusiasm as it applied to Barack Obama and how it didn't apply to John Kerry, Al Gore and  a large segment of Hillary voters.

4) I can't speak to everyone, but while I knew Biden as a shoot-from-the-hip guy prone to gaffes (which I didn't really mind), I did not expect him to have such a tepid debate performances, and his recent speeches aren't really gaffes, they're awkward word salads, some comparable to the gibberish we mock from Trump. I honestly hadn't seen that before. Likewise, he recently crafted some heroic stories for himself that are almost entirely fabricated, including an elaborate tale of visiting Afghanistan to honor a Naval officer, getting arrested trying to see Nelson Mandela in prison, and a professorship at Penn, despite never teaching a class. Brian Williams lost his job at NBC for less. But maybe Joe always was this guy. I'm not talking about anything the GOP slime machine is cranking out. I'm talking about legitimate reporting from the mainstream media concerning problems Joe brings upon himself. 

I never tensed up watching Warren, Buttigieg, Sanders, or Klobuchar speak. I get nervous whenever I watch Joe Biden speak. Almost certain I'm not alone. 

 
knapplc said:
It'd be more "But her emails," of course. Every Dem candidate would have them. They've been preparing for this for years. It's nice to think that any candidate would be free, or that any of them are uniquely susceptible, but we're now two-for-two on Trump opponents with suddenly major scandals.  They'd try this against everyone.
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Of course they'd try. The question is about which candidates would actually be susceptible. Unfortunately, Biden is going to be the candidate so we'll never know.

And I'd like to point out that Hillary having an email server in her basement with potentially classified emails on it wasn't made up - she did that. There was an FBI investigation over it - not some swiftboating nonsense like happened to Kerry in 2004. Picking her as the candidate while there was an obvious scandal (not from years past but playing out during the primaries) played right into the Repub hands.

 
RedDenver said:
Of course they'd try. The question is about which candidates would actually be susceptible. Unfortunately, Biden is going to be the candidate so we'll never know.

And I'd like to point out that Hillary having an email server in her basement with potentially classified emails on it wasn't made up - she did that. There was an FBI investigation over it - not some swiftboating nonsense like happened to Kerry in 2004. Picking her as the candidate while there was an obvious scandal (not from years past but playing out during the primaries) played right into the Repub hands.
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Biden clearly isn't susceptible, at least not so far. Polls haven't changed since the new Reade allegations came out.

 
knapplc said:
Biden clearly isn't susceptible, at least not so far. Polls haven't changed since the new Reade allegations came out.
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Reade allegation hurts Biden's bid to unite Democrats

A new poll and interviews with Democratic strategists indicate that the sexual assault charges immediately complicate the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee’s efforts to broaden his support. The POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Tuesday shows that more than a third of voters believe Democrats should abandon Biden as their nominee over the recent claims from the former Senate aide that date back to the early 1990s.

The survey — conducted in the days after Biden appeared on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Friday to personally deny the charges for the first time — found 28 percent of Democrats “definitely” or “probably” favor replacing Biden with another nominee to take on President Donald Trump in November.
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There is some evidence that the allegations are proving to be a slight drag on Biden’s overall image. In the new poll, 43 percent of voters said they had a favorable opinion about the former vice president, down from 45 percent last week and 46 percent the week before that.

Biden’s favorable rating, 43 percent, matches that of Trump — though more voters have an unfavorable opinion of the incumbent, 50 percent, than Biden, 45 percent. (Poll respondents were asked about their overall views of Biden before they were presented with any questions about Reade’s allegations.)

The POLITICO/Morning Consult poll surveyed 1,987 registered voters through online interviews and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.
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When you are in your 40's and you mess up when you talk, no one cares.

When you are 70 and you mess up when you talk, people care.  His mind is mushy.  It happens to most of us as we get older.  Someone asked why it matters now when it didn't matter before?  Ummmm...because he is going to be President.

 
RedDenver said:
Make of the poll data what you will. I'm just pointing it out since you said that no polls had changed.
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There has been no significant dip in the polling since Reade changed her allegation. Biden has ridden waves up or down a few points before and after the new allegation. He's clearly not been shown to be "more susceptible" to scandal by this allegation.

 
doesn't matter who is running against trump.   barr will launch an october surprise to hurt whoever it is.  won't have to be true......it jsut has to be timed right to hurt whoever it is.

 
knapplc said:
And scandals? Any scandals suddenly popping up, or no?
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Mostly socialist scandals like Bernie honeymooning in Moscow and staying something nice about Castro on 60 minutes. Fellow Democrats used an awkward 48 year old essay Bernie Sanders wrote about rape to paint him a misogynist, and some legitimate red flags on Bernie's wife profiting from his campaign. I'd expect those would have reappeared, along with some new real or fabricated scandals.  

 
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