The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

Danny Bateman said:
¹ Of course it's a perception of him and not a campaign slogan but thanks for missing the point in bad faith, I guess?

² So you're just choosing to ignore the handful of links I supplied giving evidence he was clearly anxious about Biden, then?

³ Of course I wasn't, that referred to Trump. I don't think Biden is Kerry, Gore or Hillary for reasons you probably wouldn't care about, so that's rather moot to me.

⁴ I think a lot of leftists spend a lot of time in their own media bubbles, which merely serve to reinforce the existing negative perception they have of Biden they themselves helped cultivate in the primary by selectively serving up all the negative takes on Biden with none of the good stuff. And then predictably roll in here to further propagate bulls#!t being used by the GOP to attack him. Of course Biden lies. All politicians lie. None of those lies affected me. Trump's lies do because they're about how he's running the country. That's easy enough to understand, hmm?

Regarding the last bit, no you're not alone. But you're among a decided minority who think that matters in terms of votes.
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I won't deny that I'm in a bubble. But it's a suburban liberal bubble. It's most definitely not a leftist bubble. And I try to get out of the bubbles as much as I can. My posts are riddled with ideological conflict.

Anecdotally, virtually all my Dem friends and 100% of my wives voted for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren. 100% of us are rooting for Biden to defeat Trump. But 100% of us are nervous about the way Biden is conducting his campaign so far. 100% of us also thought 2020 would bring us someone more inspiring than Joe Biden. 0% of us can trace these opinions to leftist and GOP attack machines.

I do care about the reasons you don't think Joe Biden compares to John Kerry, Al Gore, or Hillary Clinton. It goes to the case that Democrats too often unite around moderate candidates they believe will pull from moderate Republicans and independents,  rather than play to their advantage of having 20 million more registered voters — a strategy that got us John Kerry, Al Gore, and Hillary Clinton. 

 
I mean... this is the guy Biden has to beat. I think a majority of Americans, when faced with this guy at the poll, will choose the Dem nominee.

What a tool.


 
Do you think the Hunter Biden investigation happened because Donald Trump was afraid of facing Joe Biden?  Or because it was the perfect deflection from the Mueller Report which had just come out?  He wouldn't have gone to those lengths for a minor candidate or rank & file Dem, but if the nepotism had involved Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Adam Schiff, Barack Obama,  or any other name brand enemy, you'd still have Rudy Guliani poking around the Ukraine. Trump didn't fear Joe Biden. He just saw a sitting duck.

That Hunter Biden investigation resulted in the impeachment of Donald Trump. Do you think the Trump campaign learned it's lesson?  Or are they already doubling down on Hunter Biden? Of course they are. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/us/politics/biden-trump-burisma-investigation.html

BigRedBuster said:
Umm...how many wives do you have?
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Just one.

That I know of. 

 
BlitzFirst said:
(gaffes, career pathological liar, hair sniffing, improper touching, harassment claims, Hunter Biden, etc.)
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Most of America doesn't think these are issues. These things have been known for years and he still won the Dem nomination pretty handily.

 
knapplc said:
Most of America doesn't think these are issues. These things have been known for years and he still won the Dem nomination pretty handily.
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The Dems treatment their candidate mirrors the Repubs treatment of theirs. Strong indictment of our current political system.

 
RedDenver said:
You say others can't project onto Trump, and then finish the sentence by projecting onto Trump.
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No I'm using the evidence of Trump's actions to justify my position. Don't you see the difference? Here's some more evidence for you:

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/470775-juan-williams-trumps-ukraine-scandal-rooted-in-fear-of-biden

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-gop-get-2020-match-they-clearly-did-not-want-n1179886

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/joe-biden-donald-trump-fire-fighters-union-iaff-tweets/index.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/trumps-big-gamble-on-biden/606394/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/03/msnbcs_nicole_wallace_trump_so_terrified_of_biden_he_soiled_his_reputation_and_the_family_name.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/donald-trump-is-terrified-of-facing-joe-biden-stra/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/donald-trump-joe-biden-fox-news

"A pro-Trump super PAC launched anti-Biden advertising ahead of the Nevada caucuses, too.

How many other Democratic presidential hopefuls were on the receiving end of GOP attack ads? None. There was an enormous field of potential targets, but Republicans focused entirely on one potential rival.

It was as subtle as a sledgehammer: the president's allies didn't want Joe Biden to win the Democratic nomination.

To be sure, there's been ample discussion, especially on the left, about whether GOP assumptions about the Delaware Democrat are correct. What's far less debatable, however, is the palpable, months-long fear in Republican circles about who they didn't want to face in the general election.

The anxiety was especially acute at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. The illegal extortion scheme that led to Donald Trump's impeachment was an extraordinary scandal, but let's not forget that at its core, the president hoped to pressure a foreign country to dig up dirt on Biden -- leaving little doubt that the incumbent president was worried about facing him in a fair fight."

 
RedDenver said:
The Dems treatment their candidate mirrors the Repubs treatment of theirs. Strong indictment of our current political system.
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OR most people recognize these are trumped-up issues for a man with a decades-long career full of goodwill.

Whatever you want to think of Biden politically, he's no monster. Equating him & Trump's Republican party is a miss.

 
FrantzHardySwag said:
No I'm using the evidence of Trump's actions to justify my position. Don't you see the difference? Here's some more evidence for you:

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/470775-juan-williams-trumps-ukraine-scandal-rooted-in-fear-of-biden

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-gop-get-2020-match-they-clearly-did-not-want-n1179886

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/joe-biden-donald-trump-fire-fighters-union-iaff-tweets/index.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/trumps-big-gamble-on-biden/606394/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/03/msnbcs_nicole_wallace_trump_so_terrified_of_biden_he_soiled_his_reputation_and_the_family_name.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/donald-trump-is-terrified-of-facing-joe-biden-stra/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/donald-trump-joe-biden-fox-news

"A pro-Trump super PAC launched anti-Biden advertising ahead of the Nevada caucuses, too.

How many other Democratic presidential hopefuls were on the receiving end of GOP attack ads? None. There was an enormous field of potential targets, but Republicans focused entirely on one potential rival.

It was as subtle as a sledgehammer: the president's allies didn't want Joe Biden to win the Democratic nomination.

To be sure, there's been ample discussion, especially on the left, about whether GOP assumptions about the Delaware Democrat are correct. What's far less debatable, however, is the palpable, months-long fear in Republican circles about who they didn't want to face in the general election.

The anxiety was especially acute at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. The illegal extortion scheme that led to Donald Trump's impeachment was an extraordinary scandal, but let's not forget that at its core, the president hoped to pressure a foreign country to dig up dirt on Biden -- leaving little doubt that the incumbent president was worried about facing him in a fair fight."
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You literally told people not to do something that you did within the same sentence.

Other people use evidence to justify their position too. But that's beside the point because according to you they can't project onto Trump but you can. Both the original statement and then the defense of that statement are laughable.

 
knapplc said:
OR most people recognize these are trumped-up issues for a man with a decades-long career full of goodwill.

Whatever you want to think of Biden politically, he's no monster. Equating him & Trump's Republican party is a miss.
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You said Dem voters don't think "gaffes, career pathological liar, hair sniffing, improper touching, harassment claims, Hunter Biden, etc." are issues. Not caring about issues with their own candidate is also what Repub voters do. I'm saying the voters in each party mirror each other in that way.

It has nothing to do with who is or isn't a monster or who is better or worse.

 
Moiraine said:
Has someone here said they don't think there should be an investigation? I'm really asking, since I haven't read every post. I haven't seen one that says that. People saying they don't believe her for reasons A, B, and C is not the same as them saying they don't think it should be looked into.

You're going to feel this way regardless - Biden can't be proven guilty of this, just like Trump can't been proven guilty of the accusations against him, nor Clinton against him.
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We don't have to talk about "should be" because there won't be an investigation.  Washington DC closely investigates the slightly anti-Washington party, regardless of the absurdity.  The only scrutiny Biden will face will come from scripted media and ultimately the voters.

 
RedDenver said:
You said Dem voters don't think "gaffes, career pathological liar, hair sniffing, improper touching, harassment claims, Hunter Biden, etc." are issues. Not caring about issues with their own candidate is also what Repub voters do. I'm saying the voters in each party mirror each other in that way.

It has nothing to do with who is or isn't a monster or who is better or worse.
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The things Republicans are forgiving their candidates for are not the same thing as what Democrats overlook. Equating them is a miss.

 
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