Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)

[BigRedBuster]

Thanks BRB...the one I find intriguing is this one; where "deaths from all causes" did not really change much until mid April?...and is back to below average as of this week...?

From my graph, if you look at March 29 to April 25th, over that 28 day period, there were 9,563 deaths in the US.  That's 1,855 more per day than the average in 2017.  

I think the reason why the most recent week is so low is the lag in reporting and documenting.  

From my link:

Number of deaths reported on this page are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period. Data are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death. See https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm for more information. Data for New York excludes New York City. Data on all deaths excluding COVID-19 exclude deaths with an underlying cause of U07.1. Deaths with a multiple or contributing cause of U07.1 are included; therefore counts may not match the numbers of COVID-19 deaths reported elsewhere that include deaths with a multiple cause of death code of U07.1. Death counts were derived from the National Vital Statistics System database that provides the timeliest access to the data and may differ slightly from other sources due to differences in completeness, COVID-19 case definitions used, data processing, and imputation of missing dates.  

 

[knapplc]

I wouldn't trust anything the CDC is putting out.

 

[DevoHusker]

I wouldn't trust anything the CDC is putting out.

...because...?

 

[knapplc]

...because...?

Answered this in P&R.

 

[JJ Husker]

Unfortunately this is all too real.

 

[GSG]

11 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

What was it?

 

[NUance]

Fight COVID-19 with dairy? China industry associations issue consumption guidelines to ‘build immune resistance’
17-Mar-2020 By Pearly Neo

Four major dairy industry associations in China have formed a set of guidelines for dairy and dairy product consumption for local residents in the hope of strengthening the public's immune health amid the COVID-19 novel coronavirus outbreak.  LINK 

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To hell with experimental vaccines and ingesting disinfectants.  I'm gonna drink a glass of chocolate milk!  

 

[JJ Husker]

What was it?

It was a YouTube video with Ashley Stump. She was sarcastically talking about all the things we should be doing for the coronavirus and wondering how people could be confused with all the guidance we're getting. And then she proceeds to go through all the conflicting information.

We should stay home and not go out for any reason.....unless we have a reason.

Wearing a mask will not protect us....but masks save lives and we should all wear one.

Stuff like that. It was funny and spot on. Not sure what happened to the video but it's no longer on YouTube.

Edit- *Adley Stump*

 

[funhusker]

It was a YouTube video with Ashley Stump. She was sarcastically talking about all the things we should be doing for the coronavirus and wondering how people could be confused with all the guidance we're getting. And then she proceeds to go through all the conflicting information.

We should stay home and not go out for any reason.....unless we have a reason.

Wearing a mask will not protect us....but masks save lives and we should all wear one.

Stuff like that. It was funny and spot on. Not sure what happened to the video but it's no longer on YouTube.

Edit- *Adley Stump*

I watched it the other day.  It was hilariously frustrating!

And she's purdy...

 

[NUance]

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
By Tommaso Ebhardt, Chiara Remondini, and Marco Bertacche    March 18, 2020, 7:56 AM CDT  

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.  LINK 

 

[BigRedBuster]

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
By Tommaso Ebhardt, Chiara Remondini, and Marco Bertacche    March 18, 2020, 7:56 AM CDT  

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.  LINK 

Interesting.  One thing that I'm really getting sick and tired of is when a death is mentioned...almost immediately, someone says...."Well, he has other health problems".  Like, hey, you have high blood pressure....so, it's fine if you die.

The new study could provide insight into why Italy’s death rate, at about 8% of total infected people, is higher than in other countries.

The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.

More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.

People live with these conditions for years.  It's not OK if they....oh well, got COVID and died.  They were going to die anyway.

 

[NUance]

Interesting.  One thing that I'm really getting sick and tired of is when a death is mentioned...almost immediately, someone says...."Well, he has other health problems".  Like, hey, you have high blood pressure....so, it's fine if you die.

People live with these conditions for years.  It's not OK if they....oh well, got COVID and died.  They were going to die anyway.

Is that what the article said?  

 

[BigRedBuster]

Is that what the article said?  

No...I'm projecting that onto people I know that have the attitude that all this is stupid and we should just open everything back up because the only people that die are people with preexisting conditions.

Not talking about anyone on here.  I'm talking about other conversations I find myself in.

 

[NUance]

No...I'm projecting that onto people I know that have the attitude that all this is stupid and we should just open everything back up because the only people that die are people with preexisting conditions.

Not talking about anyone on here.  I'm talking about other conversations I find myself in.

Fair enough. 

 

[Courtesy Flush]

If people would listen to this guy we would have football.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

Interesting read. Here are some take always I have working in the health care myself:

1. The study has not received peer review acceptance at this point, and I doubt it will. They state “The Premier Biotech serology test used in this study has not been approved by the FDA by the time of the study, and validation studies for this assay are ongoing.” My hunch is it won’t be validated because their methods for sampling weren’t truly random and created admitted biases in their turnout (they discuss this and multiple other issues with their sample size in the report in the discussions section).
2. The study states they had an “over- representation of white women between the ages of 19 and 64” and then goes on to state “We did not account for age imbalance in our sample”. We know from other studies around the world that this virus is having a much greater impact on those over the age of 65 and those who have comorbidities (other issues). Those studies, which were peer reviewed and widely accredited, show a much different seropositivity, and included some initial rough R0 data from follow-up work/resampling as well (which the Stanford study excludes due to their methods of sampling). These studies also show a much higher fatality rate (most likely because they included more demographically accurate sample sizes).

3. They admit much more research is needed, saying “Repeated serologic testing in different geographies, spaced a few weeks apart, could establish extent of infection over time.” 

Something to remember - Dr. Atlas has opinions on everything. Do a little google search and you’ll often find they are very politically driven. He’s a lobbyist, who gets paid to sway public opinion because he has “MD” behind his name. You’ll also find that very few people in the medical field agree with him. That’s why he has to write “opinion” pieces, and not peer reviewed case studies to make his points. In other words. He currently makes up a very small n-size of physicians that agree with his opinion. Keep that in mind.  Also, if more people listened to the opinions of one MD over the opposing and more consistent opinions of many MDs... we’d have a lot more issues in this country.
 

For example: If you’re sick and suffering with (insert any ailment), are you going to want to take a path to recovery recommended by one doctor based on one study, or a proven path recommended by a universal panel of doctors who’ve peer reviewed multiple studies?

I want football as bad as the next guy, but if we listen to politicians/lobbyists and not the greater medical community, this thing will draw out longer than it needs to.