The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

DevoHusker said:
(edit: no idea why it didn't quote, but this is for Red 5)

I read what I posted. I also read what I copied and pasted.

I originally said it had nothing to do with death counts, but hospitals are certainly being paid for COVID patients. What I copied and pasted proves exactly that.

I will forego issuing the same response on the "football in 2020" thread, since there is no need to double down on being right. 
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For the 3rd time, hospitals getting money from the CARES Act has nothing to do with getting money for COVID patients.  They are getting this money from the CARES Act for a loss of revenue due to reduced utilization as well as to help them ramp up supplies for a surge of COVID patients.

And yes, hospitals are being paid for COVID patients.  But they are getting paid through their normal process (Medicare, Medicaid, Commercial Insurers).  The CARES Act has nothing to do with this.

 
Red Five said:
I would tell him go home and not to come back.  But I am not a business owner. 

Seriously, there are a lot of questions to sort through.  Can you pull him to the side, talk to him about it, and express your point of view?  Is he a good employee?  Do you need that person to have an effective workforce?  Can you hire someone else quickly (I hear there are a lot of people looking for work...)?  Are you requiring masks or other safety procedures? If you allow him to not do it, how will the others react?
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His supervisors are showing him the CDC document stating that this is an appropriate thing to do.

As far as safety towards the virus, we have locked down all our facilities.  No non-employee can enter.  If anyone has symptoms they are sent home or told to stay home.  If they live with a person who has been tested positive, they are told to stay home.  All those require a doctor's note that nobody has had a problem receiving (if asked for).  They are required to have another DR. note releasing them to come back to work.  We don't require masks because all of our work stations are separated far enough apart.  Any office personnel who can work from home have been split into two shifts, one working from home, the other one here.  All truck drivers are not allowed in the shipping office, they must stay in their trucks unless needed outside to strap down.

So, we feel we have been very proactive in this.  This has been one of the last steps but haven't had the thermometers.  Till now....and now we have this issue.

He's a very key employee in production.  But, my attitude is, fine.  if you refuse, go home.  You won't get a Drs note so you won't get the FMLA pay and you won't get unemployment either.  If I cater to him because he's a "valuable employee", how can I turn around and require the rest of the employees to do it?  I already have employees upset that he won't do it because the process is in place to keep them safe.

I just don't get it.

 
BigRedBuster said:
So....would like your input on something.

We have implemented the procedure of every employee has their temperature taken when they show up for work. I finally got the thermometers that I ordered about a month ago.

So....it started on Monday.  Today, we have an employee who says that "if you try taking my temperature again tomorrow, I'm going home."

So....what do you do as an employer?
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I would show him the EEOC guidance @FrantzHardySwag provided above, and explain that you're doing this not only for his safety but for yours and for that of his coworkers. Explain that you are not going to compromise everyone's safety for someone's personal liberty concerns, and if necessary remind him that some of his coworkers may be at risk even if he isn't.

And if that still doesn't convince him, send him home and remind him (in whatever tone you like) that Nebraska is an at-will state and he can be fired for not following his supervisor's directives.

I also do not envy you having to have that conversation. But as a business owner I'm sure that wouldn't be the first time you've had to do that.

 
knapplc said:
I would show him the EEOC guidance @FrantzHardySwag provided above, and explain that you're doing this not only for his safety but for yours and for that of his coworkers. Explain that you are not going to compromise everyone's safety for someone's personal liberty concerns, and if necessary remind him that some of his coworkers may be at risk even if he isn't.

And if that still doesn't convince him, send him home and remind him (in whatever tone you like) that Nebraska is an at-will state and he can be fired for not following his supervisor's directives.

I also do not envy you having to have that conversation. But as a business owner I'm sure that wouldn't be the first time you've had to do that.
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Get this.

One of the supervisors that's involved has an immune deficiency problem so that if he gets the virus, they've basically told him he's done....and he's aware of that and still upset.

 


It's a good thing I'm not a media person in that room because I don't think I could hold back from giving them a big "F**K YOU" 

 
BigRedBuster said:
Yep.

So...they go home and have an unexcused absence?  Have too many of those and they are suspended.  If it's still a problem, they lose their job.

It boggles my mind that someone is going to throw their job away (when 20 million + people would love to have one) just because they don't want their temperature taken.
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Well you can handle it how you want to but I know what I would and am planning on doing when I finally receive my infrared thermometers. They can either comply with the new temporary requirement of working here, or they will be shown the door and they can go find another job. It’s really that simple unless you’re dealing with unions or some such thing. I see no reason to d!(k around with unexcused absences or suspensions. Do what is required or hit the road. Simple.

 
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Sorry if this was posted already - this thread changes faster that Trump can tell a lie

https://www.the-sun.com/news/823423/white-house-buried-cdc-against-summer-vacation/

THE WHITE HOUSE "buried" a Centers of Disease Control plan warning against any summer vacation travel to avoid a second wave of coronavirus, according to a report released on Wednesday.

In the CDC guidelines, which were uncovered by the Associated Press, officials recommend that non-essential travel will only be "considered" in Phase Three of the country's reopening.

However, in the White House "Opening Up America Again" plan released last month, it states that non-essential travel can resume in Phase Two.

On page 12 of the 68-page CD document, the agency outlines the travel recommendations for the United States as per the individual reopening phases.

It is recommended that domestic travel is avoided for the first two phases, and only insists that "non-essential travel may be considered within and between low, controlled transmission jurisdictions" in phase three.

It also states: "Avoid non-essential travel to moderate, controlled or significant, uncontrolled transmission jurisdictions to protect those in low, controlled transmission jurisdictions."

With regards to international travel in the final phase, the CDC recommends that it "may be considered following CDC international travel guidance."

Last week it emerged that officials at the White House buried a CDC report on lifting the coronavirus lockdown, leaked emails show.

The trove of messages revealed how the work of public health experts was quashed with little explanation.

The files also show that after the AP reported Thursday that the document had been buried, the Trump administration ordered key parts of it to be fast-tracked for approval.
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knapplc said:
Hey, Trump supporters, how do you explain this?  @Notre Dame Joe @4skers89 
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I like how CNBC states the Trump administration "quietly" shifted collection to HHS.  Conspiracy much CNBC?  This move was well known.  CDC was badly botching data collection so maybe they decided to take down the old data figuring no data was better than incorrect data or spite.  Hopefully HHS can sort this out.  There are reports that people tested twice are being counted as two cases and no reporting of negative cases.  I believe CDC should be catching these things but weren't.  Redfield needs to whip the CDC into shape soon because they seem to have bungled this pandemic from the start.

 
Yeah...schools are f#&%ed for a bit.

No one knows what to do yet.  Some are saying open but with masks...but how the heck do you keep masks on little kids all day?

Then you have the "freedoms police" that will refuse to wear them and the SC already said that kids have rights (sadly)

 
4skers89 said:
CDC was badly botching data collection so maybe they decided to take down the old data figuring no data was better than incorrect data or spite. 
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No they weren't. They were doing fine. It's just that Trump doesn't like the numbers because they look bad for him (spoilers: they are bad for him, and it's his fault).

But even pretending the CDC was doing a bad job, who in the White House is going to be better at disseminating that data, and how are they more qualified than the CDC?

It's funny how nobody complained about the CDC before Trump. Now the nutters think the CDC is a problem and Trump's people are the solution. Why? Because Trump told them so.   :LOLtartar

 
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